Stop Sale Campaign on 911 with Sport Chrono?
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just arrived for pick up. She still got it on the back roads. I just love this platform. At this point I will always own a 911. With all the model variants I don’t see how you could get board with this platform like I did with M cars.
now for a nice putt putt ride home with the kid in the car.
now for a nice putt putt ride home with the kid in the car.
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There is no doubt in my mind that's what this is about. You don't prevent the sales of cars over a simple recall. This is big sh*t. What will we get? A payoff? Buyback? Software fix?
You guys watched the Netflix series Dirty Money? Three episodes are flat-out epic:
"Hard Nox" about Volkswagon....and it mentions there are other cheaters and why
"Payday" about race-car driver Scott Tucker
And one on Valeant Pharmaceuticals ....I forget the name of it.
The one on Volkswagon was crazy crazy crazy. It baffles me that they tried that hard to cheat.
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Hi everyone, brand new to this forum. Found you because I was about to pick up CPO last Thursday from Ray Centena Porsche in New Jersey - 2017 CAYENNE GTS. They’ve been unable to give ANY information - but just said it was something to do with “sports chrono”.
still nothing 5 days later. They have my cash. Do you reckon I’ll ever get the car?
still nothing 5 days later. They have my cash. Do you reckon I’ll ever get the car?
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Hi everyone, brand new to this forum. Found you because I was about to pick up CPO last Thursday from Ray Centena Porsche in New Jersey - 2017 CAYENNE GTS. They’ve been unable to give ANY information - but just said it was something to do with “sports chrono”.
still nothing 5 days later. They have my cash. Do you reckon I’ll ever get the car?
still nothing 5 days later. They have my cash. Do you reckon I’ll ever get the car?
Don't think I'll allow this to dissuade me from purchasing one of the affected models though..
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Porsche Class Action Suit
This may shed some light of what may end up happening with our cars. It could be that Sports Plus will need new software installed to be legal. The question is as a purchaser of an affected car what are your rights? Were the Volkswagon owners that got buyback or any monetary consideration the ones that only bought the car new?
This is a Porsche forum somebody here must be an attorney!
This may shed some light of what may end up happening with our cars. It could be that Sports Plus will need new software installed to be legal. The question is as a purchaser of an affected car what are your rights? Were the Volkswagon owners that got buyback or any monetary consideration the ones that only bought the car new?
This is a Porsche forum somebody here must be an attorney!
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To the best of my knowledge you did not have to be the original owner to be a part of the VW buyback/cash payment.
Am I reading this right? Did VW really give people checks for 25-50% of the value of their Diesels?
https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/blog/20...ners-get-facts
https://www.autoblog.com/2016/06/30/...-dirty-diesel/
Am I reading this right? Did VW really give people checks for 25-50% of the value of their Diesels?
https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/blog/20...ners-get-facts
https://www.autoblog.com/2016/06/30/...-dirty-diesel/
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...said every single owner of Audi A6 and Q7 TDIs in about 2015.
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To the best of my knowledge you did not have to be the original owner to be a part of the VW buyback/cash payment.
Am I reading this right? Did VW really give people checks for 25-50% of the value of their Diesels?
https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/blog/20...ners-get-facts
https://www.autoblog.com/2016/06/30/...-dirty-diesel/
Am I reading this right? Did VW really give people checks for 25-50% of the value of their Diesels?
https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/blog/20...ners-get-facts
https://www.autoblog.com/2016/06/30/...-dirty-diesel/
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This is a crock. The people bringing that suit are not friends.
Anyone who owns a Porsche and now feel that they have been betrayed and cheated because Sport+ mode results in slightly more NOx in certain situations, then by all means they must immediately go to the local Toyota dealer and trade their 911 in on one or four Prius. They should get out of here and not let the door hit them in the a$$ on the way out.
Anyone who feels betrayed by Porsche over Sport+ mode but complains bitterly about auto-start/stop always being activated after restart is a hypocritical brainless idiot.
Anyone with a functioning brain should have realized that the Sport and Sport+ buttons were “defeat” devices from day one. From. Day. One.
The fundamental problem being that modern emissions regulations result in an situation where many features of “sports cars” result in illegality. Which features? Oh how about rev-matching shifts, 195° engine operating temperatures, throttle response modeled after a cable, flat-shifting, etc.
Why do you think AS/S always defaults to on as of the last few years? Why isn’t Sport+ setting retained through restarts?
The article suggests Porsche actually changed hardware for cars that were tested. We’ll see. This seems not credible. More credible is that the difference between software-controlled transmission strategy and “transmission” is being deliberately conflated for propaganda purposes.
References to DieselGate... VW owners were furious. But not so much at VW. They were furious that government was going to either require castration or prevent registration.
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Oh... one last thing: If you join the class for this suit make sure that you mention this immediately to all your other “car friends” at your next gathering.
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For those with TL;DR syndrome: basis of lawsuit is that Porsches were less valuable at time of sale because they didn’t meet emission specifications. Thus that owners were “cheated” of “value.” It’s a suit justified by logic so twisted that only those with terminal jealousy - or lawyers - would possibly even try to follow it.
This is a crock. The people bringing that suit are not friends.
Anyone who owns a Porsche and now feel that they have been betrayed and cheated because Sport+ mode results in slightly more NOx in certain situations, then by all means they must immediately go to the local Toyota dealer and trade their 911 in on one or four Prius. They should get out of here and not let the door hit them in the a$$ on the way out.
Anyone who feels betrayed by Porsche over Sport+ mode but complains bitterly about auto-start/stop always being activated after restart is a hypocritical brainless idiot.
Anyone with a functioning brain should have realized that the Sport and Sport+ buttons were “defeat” devices from day one. From. Day. One.
The fundamental problem being that modern emissions regulations result in an situation where many features of “sports cars” result in illegality. Which features? Oh how about rev-matching shifts, 195° engine operating temperatures, throttle response modeled after a cable, flat-shifting, etc.
Why do you think AS/S always defaults to on as of the last few years? Why isn’t Sport+ setting retained through restarts?
The article suggests Porsche actually changed hardware for cars that were tested. We’ll see. This seems not credible. More credible is that the difference between software-controlled transmission strategy and “transmission” is being deliberately conflated for propaganda purposes.
References to DieselGate... VW owners were furious. But not so much at VW. They were furious that government was going to either require castration or prevent registration.
This is a crock. The people bringing that suit are not friends.
Anyone who owns a Porsche and now feel that they have been betrayed and cheated because Sport+ mode results in slightly more NOx in certain situations, then by all means they must immediately go to the local Toyota dealer and trade their 911 in on one or four Prius. They should get out of here and not let the door hit them in the a$$ on the way out.
Anyone who feels betrayed by Porsche over Sport+ mode but complains bitterly about auto-start/stop always being activated after restart is a hypocritical brainless idiot.
Anyone with a functioning brain should have realized that the Sport and Sport+ buttons were “defeat” devices from day one. From. Day. One.
The fundamental problem being that modern emissions regulations result in an situation where many features of “sports cars” result in illegality. Which features? Oh how about rev-matching shifts, 195° engine operating temperatures, throttle response modeled after a cable, flat-shifting, etc.
Why do you think AS/S always defaults to on as of the last few years? Why isn’t Sport+ setting retained through restarts?
The article suggests Porsche actually changed hardware for cars that were tested. We’ll see. This seems not credible. More credible is that the difference between software-controlled transmission strategy and “transmission” is being deliberately conflated for propaganda purposes.
References to DieselGate... VW owners were furious. But not so much at VW. They were furious that government was going to either require castration or prevent registration.
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Reading from the lawsuit, there is a report that Porsche installed longer gear ratios in test vehicles than those in production cars. If proven to be true, Porsche will undoubtedly be required to compensate buyers for their deception. (Not sure why apparently only cars with Sport Chrono are affected by the stop sale).
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Porsche will undoubtedly be required to compensate buyers for their deception. (Not sure why apparently only cars with Sport Chrono are affected by the stop sale).
Now, if this goes the way of DieselGate the "damage" will be the direct result of government forcing either castration of the cars or preventing registration. But, make no mistake, as of now, no damage has been done to owners.
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