Stop Sale Campaign on 911 with Sport Chrono?
11-22-2020, 11:04 PM
#196
I just purchased a 981 Boxster S 6MT with Sport Chrono on Friday from a used car dealer who had bought it from the Porsche dealer a month prior (traded in there). I'm glad its in my hands and I'll want to thoroughly understand what any proposed "fix" might be before having it done. If there is any negative affect to performance, you'd better bet I'd be expecting a check if I were to have it done!
Question, though, as I've noticed that the Auto Start/Stop defeat seems to latch across key cycles (thank the Lawd!). Is this consistent with others' cars? Is this consistent with NON sport chrono cars? I am just wondering if this could be a difference between the SC and non SC cars.
There was also discussion about the engine "hanging" in Normal mode. I just wanted to add a couple notes I've observed from other vehicles and working for OEMs. There are 2 benefits to it. One is emissions related in that suddenly snapping off the throttle would result in excessive unburnt fuel being dumped into the exhaust, so the extended ramp down of throttle helps fully burn it. This is probably much less of an issue on DI engines.
The second issue is for shifting gears at a more relaxed pace. When in Sport+ mode, the revs are dropping at a rate that that requires the shifts to be fast, as well. In Normal, it allows for the revs to drop more slowly so you'll hit the right rpms for the next gear with slower shifts.
Question, though, as I've noticed that the Auto Start/Stop defeat seems to latch across key cycles (thank the Lawd!). Is this consistent with others' cars? Is this consistent with NON sport chrono cars? I am just wondering if this could be a difference between the SC and non SC cars.
There was also discussion about the engine "hanging" in Normal mode. I just wanted to add a couple notes I've observed from other vehicles and working for OEMs. There are 2 benefits to it. One is emissions related in that suddenly snapping off the throttle would result in excessive unburnt fuel being dumped into the exhaust, so the extended ramp down of throttle helps fully burn it. This is probably much less of an issue on DI engines.
The second issue is for shifting gears at a more relaxed pace. When in Sport+ mode, the revs are dropping at a rate that that requires the shifts to be fast, as well. In Normal, it allows for the revs to drop more slowly so you'll hit the right rpms for the next gear with slower shifts.
11-22-2020, 11:09 PM
#197
Pro
. . . . Question, though, as I've noticed that the Auto Start/Stop defeat seems to latch across key cycles (thank the Lawd!). Is this consistent with others' cars? Is this consistent with NON sport chrono cars? I am just wondering if this could be a difference between the SC and non SC cars. . . . .
11-23-2020, 08:09 AM
#198
Question, though, as I've noticed that the Auto Start/Stop defeat seems to latch across key cycles (thank the Lawd!). Is this consistent with others' cars? Is this consistent with NON sport chrono cars? I am just wondering if this could be a difference between the SC and non SC cars.
My understanding is that Porsche decided, at least by '17, to require the driver to defeat *** each time the ignition was cycled. On my C2, *** is enabled each time I start the car. At least for me, I simply rotate the **** to SPORT and thus defeat ***, and drive the car normally. I do have SC on my 991.2.
11-23-2020, 08:12 AM
#199
On topic, is anyone aware of any actual press announcement or formal notice by PCNA relating to the subject of this thread?
11-23-2020, 08:35 AM
#200
Rennlist Member
No announcement that I’ve seen yet. All info is coming from reliable sources from inside dealers that have been told to stop selling. My old SA from Pa is extremely trustworthy and he confirmed the dealer had a stop sale. He also believes it does not affect my TTS. No one has details on what, how or when the info will be announced at this time.
The following users liked this post:
Rich_Jenkins (11-23-2020)
11-23-2020, 09:23 AM
#201
Yes. This is how my '14 981S operated (you didn't need to defeat *** each time you started the car. You could turn it off, and leave it off. *** would not come back on, and you could simply drive the car normally. My car did not have SC.
My understanding is that Porsche decided, at least by '17, to require the driver to defeat *** each time the ignition was cycled. On my C2, *** is enabled each time I start the car. At least for me, I simply rotate the **** to SPORT and thus defeat ***, and drive the car normally. I do have SC on my 991.2.
My understanding is that Porsche decided, at least by '17, to require the driver to defeat *** each time the ignition was cycled. On my C2, *** is enabled each time I start the car. At least for me, I simply rotate the **** to SPORT and thus defeat ***, and drive the car normally. I do have SC on my 991.2.
11-23-2020, 09:49 AM
#202
Stop Sale NHTSA
I wonder where the stop sale came from as they would not do it on their own. They either received an injunction or agreed to a deal with a government agency. Good time to file a report on faulty door cards/airbags.
11-23-2020, 10:15 AM
#203
Rennlist Member
HAMBURG/MUNICH (Reuters) - Germany's motor vehicle authority KBA is investigating Volkswagen's VOWG_p.DE luxury sports vehicles unit Porsche AG over the suspected manipulation of petrol engines to achieve improved emissions data.
In my opinion this is bigger than the ***.
Last edited by AdamSanta85; 11-23-2020 at 10:16 AM.
11-23-2020, 10:42 AM
#204
Rennlist Member
For those that had an effected VW Diesel, how were the 2nd/3rd owners who didn't buy the car new treated if they wanted to keep the car? Were they also given a check?
The short answer to point 3 (Cayenne Diesel issue) is yes, 2nd owners (or any current owner) received money but only the full amount after the “repair” which was a new EGR and a software update. My mpg never changed. Completely happy I kept it (great track car & boat tow vehicle). Now waiting to see what they have for my ‘13 4S Cab. And maybe the GT4, though the SC on the GT4 is truly just a clock as compared to the 911.
The short answer to point 3 (Cayenne Diesel issue) is yes, 2nd owners (or any current owner) received money but only the full amount after the “repair” which was a new EGR and a software update. My mpg never changed. Completely happy I kept it (great track car & boat tow vehicle). Now waiting to see what they have for my ‘13 4S Cab. And maybe the GT4, though the SC on the GT4 is truly just a clock as compared to the 911.
11-23-2020, 10:50 AM
#205
Rennlist Member
In one way, that would make sense because buying the car second hand, I did not shell out the mega bucks when buying the car. On the other hand, that gives me zero incentive to go in and get any modifications done if I'm not going to be compensated.
The following users liked this post:
Class5Kayaker (11-24-2020)
11-23-2020, 10:52 AM
#206
Rennlist Member
Totally agree. Even with $, i'm reluctant to head in for a "software upgrade" although I get it. No $, forget about it...
Last edited by Motorist911; 11-23-2020 at 10:57 AM.
The following users liked this post:
Wolpertinger (11-23-2020)
11-23-2020, 11:05 AM
#207
Rennlist Member
I believe what the Cayenne example means is that they would only pay the current vehicle holder if they brought the car in to compliance.
11-23-2020, 12:52 PM
#208
Rennlist Member
If my '13 Audi Q7 TDI and '14 Jetta TDI experiences were any indication, ultimately you won't have a choice. They offered pretty generous compensation and in the case of the Jetta a buyback. Kicker is that if you refused to have the update done you could not renew your registration on the vehicle. At least that is how it worked here... and I'm in Texas which certainly no California when it comes to emissions.
11-23-2020, 01:09 PM
#209
Rennlist Member
11-23-2020, 01:15 PM
#210
Rennlist Member
If this 'Stop Sale' is true then it has to be due to some government regulation like emissions or some safety defects, In that case we should have received recall notices by now. Active engine mounts is not such a big problem and an easy fix, Porsche is too happy to re-sell cars with IMS issues that literally cause engines to blow up.