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Old 11-21-2020, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Phattymcgee
Well they just wasted my time with a basalt black car after “confirming” it was jet black. On the search still....
They also use an automatic car wash for guaranteed swirls and scratches.
Old 11-21-2020, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Phattymcgee
Well they just wasted my time with a basalt black car after “confirming” it was jet black. On the search still....
Jet Metallic black was not a color offered until 2015 it replaced Basalt Black.
Old 11-21-2020, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 2-Rotor
Jet Metallic black was not a color offered until 2015 it replaced Basalt Black.
thank you for this tidbit. Search just narrowed to 2015-2016.
Old 11-21-2020, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by garfunkle
Avoid Hendrick.... I shopped them for my Cayenne... bought new so even playing field. The best discount they would do is 2K off. Porsche Greensboro gave me 15% (on a 2019 last November when 20's arrived the same time) and gave me 7K more for my trade. Easy decision to drive 100 miles for that deal.
I don't use Southpoint. I've been a Leith Porsche customer for 35 years.
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Originally Posted by Phattymcgee
Well they just wasted my time with a basalt black car after “confirming” it was jet black. On the search still....
Basalt Black has not been offered for a while. Jet Black is the current metallic black paint. The regular gloss black, standard color, is just called Black.

So when they told you it was Jet Black, they were correct if it is metallic.
Old 11-21-2020, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by G.I.G.
I've been reading through this thread (I'm passively looking for a 991.1 C2S) and haven't seen it said explicitly, but reading between the lines, Porsche changed the engine mapping in Sport/Sport + on Sport Chrono equipped cars to increase performance, and to the detriment of emissions regulations. Not sure what else it could be.

Either way, if I was an owner of one of the affected cars, I wouldn't be rushing into a dealer to have them change/update a single thing. It will be interesting to see how this plays out....
I think the value of a sport chrono equipped 991 just went up.
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Old 11-22-2020, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by zio
I think the value of a sport chrono equipped 991 just went up.

Well, right up until you take it in for service in California and they "fix" it.
Old 11-22-2020, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by GSIRM3
Basalt Black has not been offered for a while. Jet Black is the current metallic black paint. The regular gloss black, standard color, is just called Black.

So when they told you it was Jet Black, they were correct if it is metallic.
it is a 2014 and it was basalt black. I saw it in person and and online today it is listed as basalt black.
Old 11-22-2020, 11:56 AM
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I think the value of a sport chrono equipped 991 just went up.

I don't know why that would happen. I don't think it's good news for us owners unless we get a check as Volkswagon owners did.

Dieselgate settlement details

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Old 11-22-2020, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Upscale Audio
I don't know why that would happen. I don't think it's good news for us owners unless we get a check as Volkswagon owners did.

Dieselgate settlement details
In the short term, the supply has just declined. Econ 101. Who knows what will happen. The diesel Cayennes are worth more than the standards now on the used market.
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Originally Posted by Upscale Audio
I don't know why that would happen. I don't think it's good news for us owners unless we get a check as Volkswagon owners did.

Dieselgate settlement details
So what's the worst case scenario in your opinion? If you don't think it's good news unless we get a check, what is it you think could happen? Honestly asking because I had no interest in the Dieselgate scandal.

From what I'm gathering, we'll be required to take our cars in for a recall to update software and possibly add a larger cat? I'd just pull it right back off and add a tune.

For those that had an effected VW Diesel, how were the 2nd/3rd owners who didn't buy the car new treated if they wanted to keep the car? Were they also given a check?
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For those that had an effected VW Diesel, how were the 2nd/3rd owners who didn't buy the car new treated if they wanted to keep the car? Were they also given a check?



The short answer to point 3 (Cayenne Diesel issue) is yes, 2nd owners (or any current owner) received money but only the full amount after the “repair” which was a new EGR and a software update. My mpg never changed. Completely happy I kept it (great track car & boat tow vehicle). Now waiting to see what they have for my ‘13 4S Cab. And maybe the GT4, though the SC on the GT4 is truly just a clock as compared to the 911.

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Originally Posted by RobC4sX51
For those that had an effected VW Diesel, how were the 2nd/3rd owners who didn't buy the car new treated if they wanted to keep the car? Were they also given a check?



The short answer to point 3 (Cayenne Diesel issue) is yes, 2nd owners (or any current owner) received money but only the full amount after the “repair” which was a new EGR and a software update. My mpg never changed. Completely happy I kept it (great track car & boat tow vehicle). Now waiting to see what they have for my ‘13 4S Cab. And maybe the GT4, though the SC on the GT4 is truly just a clock as compared to the 911.
Thank you for the info!
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Old 11-22-2020, 06:03 PM
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My dealer here in Canada is aware of the stop sale. Apparently they had to pull one car off the market. Not sure where we go from here. Definitely don't want my car nerfed!
Old 11-22-2020, 10:32 PM
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I just purchased a 981 Boxster S 6MT with Sport Chrono on Friday from a used car dealer who had bought it from the Porsche dealer a month prior (traded in there). I'm glad its in my hands and I'll want to thoroughly understand what any proposed "fix" might be before having it done. If there is any negative affect to performance, you'd better bet I'd be expecting a check if I were to have it done!

Question, though, as I've noticed that the Auto Start/Stop defeat seems to latch across key cycles (thank the Lawd!). Is this consistent with others' cars? Is this consistent with NON sport chrono cars? I am just wondering if this could be a difference between the SC and non SC cars.

There was also discussion about the engine "hanging" in Normal mode. I just wanted to add a couple notes I've observed from other vehicles and working for OEMs. There are 2 benefits to it. One is emissions related in that suddenly snapping off the throttle would result in excessive unburnt fuel being dumped into the exhaust, so the extended ramp down of throttle helps fully burn it. This is probably much less of an issue on DI engines.
The second issue is for shifting gears at a more relaxed pace. When in Sport+ mode, the revs are dropping at a rate that that requires the shifts to be fast, as well. In Normal, it allows for the revs to drop more slowly so you'll hit the right rpms for the next gear with slower shifts.
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