Originally Posted by Archimedes

And the same 50-ish cars have been on AutoTrader, unsold, for months. I've been following them and the same cars are just sitting there unsold. There's a great build on there, local guys, very low miles, a few nice add ons, perfect condition, only $30k over. And it's been sitting there for months.

Originally Posted by chaosoul

I understand your concern, but unfortunately there isn't a solution to this. I know every time a new GT model comes out, people will try to speculate and argue over the same thing again. The only way to really solve the problem is if Porsche double or triples the GT car production, or Porsche raises the MSRP by 50-70k$.


I would love to buy a limited Ferrari like F12 TDF, Speciale, LaFerrari even tho I've put my name and deposit down 10 years ago. I would love to go see Mayweather's boxing match floor seats at MSRP $1000 since I've put myself on a list instead of $5000. I would love to buy Romanee Conti current release Burgundy at MSRP instead of 13k$ per bottle. I also wanted to own a part of snapchat at their IPO at snapchat's and bank's suggested IPO market price. Unfortunately I also got denied for these lists even if I put myself on a list. Its really happening in many different industries. Like you, I love those brands and the product they provide and only want to pay MSRP but market forces prevail.


Lets say if PCNA sends a decree that all dealers cannot sell any car over MSRP, then a few things would happen. In the case if dealers don't take a physical list, there will still be a list. There's always a list because a dealer is not going to get 50 cars in half year, but more like 2-6 cars, and I am sure the GM or GSM of a dealer can at least remember 2-6 important people in their heads, whether consciously or unconsciously. So when the car comes, they will literally just pick and choose 2-6 people that they want to sell to. If a dealer does take a list and Porsche also says you have to go down the list in order, then the list will be crazy. If I know the next 911R 10 years from now they are going to make only 911 units, I would put a deposit now, especially since its refundable. What you'll end up getting is the more wealthy people can literally put 15k deposit on every single GT car for the next 30 years. Why not? If I had the money I would. You'll be 40-100 people on every list for cars 5-10 years out. Only the people who can afford to put deposits for 5-10 years on multiple cars will end up getting them. The market will prevail because doesn't matter who buys it at MSRP, there will always be people who be willing to pay over, since you can't pay over, the used car prices of cars "brand new" will be over sticker, so why would you not guarantee a spot 5 years from now that'll be worth 50-70k over MSRP. Sure some cars will be worth only 10-20k more, but it'll be worth more regardless.


Some people are luckier than others no doubt. You can say people in the Midwest are luckier than people in California because its much higher chance of buying cars at MSRP. What about the rest of the world to California? Are you all luckier than people in China, Singapore, whose MSRP of GT3 is 310k USD? Its the same exact car right? Do you feel they're obligated to pay more because they have double the salary? Not quite. They are simply located in a different geographic location just like Midwest people are located in a different geographic location than California. Again, century old argument, what is MSRP? suggested retail price. Do you feel more comfortable buying a 310k MSRP GT3 in China than to pay 30k over 150k GT3 in US because you are buying at the MSRP? Lets say, hypothetically, Porsche lists GT3 at 180k MSRP, would you buy it at MSRP? What about 199k? What about 240k? At what point would you say, I rather pay over on a low MSRP car than pay higher MSRP? Now lets reverse the roll, What if PCNA starts lowering the MSRP? at 110k GT3, would you pay 30k over? No? What about 90k? 60k? At what point would you pay 30k over for a GT3? Never?


You may say the MSRP is logical and Porsche designed the car to be meant to be sold at that price, but I'm sorry it realty isn't. PCNA and PAG sets the price of the car from the marketing department. There is no bigger marketing force than to create a huge hype and letting tens of thousands of fans hook onto it and always want a glimmer of hope of getting one. The pricing is strategic, corporations do it all the time, I rather make 30k less profit per car, but to me 30k X 2000 cars I make is actually a pretty cheap marketing cost for creating this enormous hype, and I just write it off on the marketing department. They are unfortunately letting the dealers become to the culprit. If you feed a pack of wolves with only a piece of meat, they will fight for it and they will be greedy, its nature. Porsche can increase the MSRP of GT cars by 70k, and the market and demand will be more balanced out, but now people will say now PAG is the vampire and greedy company, so best to let someone else take the fall. For the same reason of the hype, they will not build twice or three times as many GT cars. Can they build another GT department factory? yes. Can they hire another GT department team? yes. The hype of the pinnacle GT cars are passed down to other models. I've seen too many people settle for Carrera GTS, Carrera S, or Cayman GTS because they couldn't get the GT cars, and wins for Porsche.


Just some food for thoughts!

Originally Posted by goin2drt

Second mention of Tesla. Be careful what you ask for. The Tesla model while it controls the price on the top and would keep dealers (or the manufacturer) from charging over MSRP, you also can't get a car for under MSRP. Try walking into a Tesla dealer and negotiate the retail price, doesn't happen.

Originally Posted by aeGT3

Got a call from the dealer last week; made a deposit; filled out the configurator; was told that I will get one but late in the production cycle because of PTS. I was advised that it is policy of Porsche St Louis that, with rare exceptions, to sell the GT cars to locals first

Originally Posted by orthojoe

I have zero problems with that. Just like walking into any store. You pay msrp or don't buy it. If there is a sale, great. Otherwise pay the same as everyone else and forget the GAMES.

Originally Posted by mooty

this is too complicated
i think buying illegal weapons ( i mean really illegal stuff..... aircrafts, missle launchers), hookers, human organs taken out from live ppl. are easier. i am tired. i'll save the money and buy chocolate. richart is sending me some good candies from lyon france. have fun buying gT3.

Originally Posted by CAlexio

Seriously? I would have thought Fremont would have called you before almost anyone except for maybe Jan

Originally Posted by orthojoe

No sh*t that's not the way it works with car dealers. Who said otherwise? It's because dealers are scumbags. I'm all for the Tesla model of sales. I don't care if I can't bargain for a lower price anymore. Bargaining is a waste of time for me and I hate games. I also hate seeing people getting ripped off by dealers and the lack of transparency because of the smoke/mirrors/games. End it all. Buy direct. Keep it simple.

Originally Posted by Terrence

I personally know of two that sold for way over MSRP in the last few weeks.

Originally Posted by silverrules

All this for a freaking car. Unbelievable. We all have lost it folks. Seriously.