991 GT2RS
08-05-2017, 09:53 PM
#3181
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I'm more or less resigned to buying the GT cars used at this point, after my local dealer laughed at me on the phone when I tried to place an order for the new .2 with the 6MT. Too many games with allocations and explanations.
They advertise the goddamn car for sale and when you call to buy it, you can't have it. Pisses me off, and this was after a visit to the factory where I was assured 6 ways from sunday that I could have whatever I wanted.
They advertise the goddamn car for sale and when you call to buy it, you can't have it. Pisses me off, and this was after a visit to the factory where I was assured 6 ways from sunday that I could have whatever I wanted.
08-06-2017, 12:01 AM
#3182
I'm more or less resigned to buying the GT cars used at this point, after my local dealer laughed at me on the phone when I tried to place an order for the new .2 with the 6MT. Too many games with allocations and explanations.
They advertise the goddamn car for sale and when you call to buy it, you can't have it. Pisses me off, and this was after a visit to the factory where I was assured 6 ways from sunday that I could have whatever I wanted.
They advertise the goddamn car for sale and when you call to buy it, you can't have it. Pisses me off, and this was after a visit to the factory where I was assured 6 ways from sunday that I could have whatever I wanted.
08-06-2017, 07:36 AM
#3185
I'm more or less resigned to buying the GT cars used at this point, after my local dealer laughed at me on the phone when I tried to place an order for the new .2 with the 6MT. Too many games with allocations and explanations.
They advertise the goddamn car for sale and when you call to buy it, you can't have it. Pisses me off, and this was after a visit to the factory where I was assured 6 ways from sunday that I could have whatever I wanted.
They advertise the goddamn car for sale and when you call to buy it, you can't have it. Pisses me off, and this was after a visit to the factory where I was assured 6 ways from sunday that I could have whatever I wanted.
08-06-2017, 07:48 PM
#3186
Yes, the Speciale and TDF were purchased at list. But I should give full disclosure: I've known the owner of the Ferrari dealership for almost 20 years now as a personal friend. So to your point, that's actually why I'm not having to play by their points system. And you are right, it does exist.
In all honesty, I think the Ferrari points system is still more fair than the Porsche "918 VIP" club system. At least with Ferrari, you can "earn" your way up the ladder by buying cars. With Porsche, it's not like I can go back in time and buy a 918. Only time travel would allow you to earn your way into Porsche's special little club.
Good move on dumping the 488, by the way... I was offered one but took a pass after a test drive. I was never able to feel any emotional connection with that car. The sound is blah, the side scoops are God-awful ugly, and the power delivery is strange.
In all honesty, I think the Ferrari points system is still more fair than the Porsche "918 VIP" club system. At least with Ferrari, you can "earn" your way up the ladder by buying cars. With Porsche, it's not like I can go back in time and buy a 918. Only time travel would allow you to earn your way into Porsche's special little club.
Good move on dumping the 488, by the way... I was offered one but took a pass after a test drive. I was never able to feel any emotional connection with that car. The sound is blah, the side scoops are God-awful ugly, and the power delivery is strange.
Unless you are one of the top clients at the Ferrari dealership, it would have been extremely hard to get a TDF as only a handful came to each dealership. Typically here, its the same five guys who get all the limited and premium cars, then sell for a profit to get the next one. So a question, if you bypassed the other people in" the point system", is that not like the 918 VIP issue but better since you didn't have to pay for a million dollar car! Well played, "Do as I say not as I do".
08-06-2017, 09:21 PM
#3187
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I see the biggest problem as a disconnect between PAG and the true desirability of the cars via the customers.
As a customer- I want what I want. And I want a GT2RS. I am willing to buy one.
I think a lot of people latch to "Not limited" in terms of serial numbers...but limited production due to parts etc surely. We have to be realistic.
If Porsche went through the real buyers and eliminated duplicates I bet in North America alone they could find 700-1000 REAL GT2RS buyers. People trust the Porsche brand a lot- and if McLaren sold 1000 675LT's (including spiders) worldwide you have to think Porsche could sell 2000-2500 GT2RS??
Problem is the method for communicating demand and then PCNA demand being adjusted internally is not simple, and it is not changing yet.
As a customer- I want what I want. And I want a GT2RS. I am willing to buy one.
I think a lot of people latch to "Not limited" in terms of serial numbers...but limited production due to parts etc surely. We have to be realistic.
If Porsche went through the real buyers and eliminated duplicates I bet in North America alone they could find 700-1000 REAL GT2RS buyers. People trust the Porsche brand a lot- and if McLaren sold 1000 675LT's (including spiders) worldwide you have to think Porsche could sell 2000-2500 GT2RS??
Problem is the method for communicating demand and then PCNA demand being adjusted internally is not simple, and it is not changing yet.
08-06-2017, 10:42 PM
#3188
You are extremely fortunate in your connections with a Ferrari dealership and i would say that access to the limited and premium Ferrari models is not likely unless you have longstanding history (i.e. points) and have bought several of the less desired cars. I have several friends who have bought numerous vehicles and even participate in the challenge race series, but even they have not gotten allocations for the TDF and Speciale. I would tell you that most people will not get the type of treatment from a Ferrari dealership that you experienced. I would exploit that connection to its fullest.
Unless you are one of the top clients at the Ferrari dealership, it would have been extremely hard to get a TDF as only a handful came to each dealership. Typically here, its the same five guys who get all the limited and premium cars, then sell for a profit to get the next one. So a question, if you bypassed the other people in" the point system", is that not like the 918 VIP issue but better since you didn't have to pay for a million dollar car! Well played, "Do as I say not as I do".
Unless you are one of the top clients at the Ferrari dealership, it would have been extremely hard to get a TDF as only a handful came to each dealership. Typically here, its the same five guys who get all the limited and premium cars, then sell for a profit to get the next one. So a question, if you bypassed the other people in" the point system", is that not like the 918 VIP issue but better since you didn't have to pay for a million dollar car! Well played, "Do as I say not as I do".
08-08-2017, 08:45 AM
#3193
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Nurburgring laptime!!!
Ok guys i have one very good source around the ring who know the laptime of the gt2 rs!!
the video and official advertisment will be at the beginin of september ;-)
1/best laptime (unofficial because TROFEO R tire) 6.47min full lap.
2/official laptime recorded (Lars Kern is the driver) with pilot sport cup 2: 6.53min
They have both lap in video recorded, Porsche just hesitate now, which laptime they will show, for sure if it is the lap with the pirelli tire they will lies because it is not the official tire mounted on the car, michelin is, but anyway Lamborghini lied aswell because the record was with trofeo r instead pzero on the commercial car....
Ok guys i have one very good source around the ring who know the laptime of the gt2 rs!!
the video and official advertisment will be at the beginin of september ;-)
1/best laptime (unofficial because TROFEO R tire) 6.47min full lap.
2/official laptime recorded (Lars Kern is the driver) with pilot sport cup 2: 6.53min
They have both lap in video recorded, Porsche just hesitate now, which laptime they will show, for sure if it is the lap with the pirelli tire they will lies because it is not the official tire mounted on the car, michelin is, but anyway Lamborghini lied aswell because the record was with trofeo r instead pzero on the commercial car....
08-08-2017, 09:24 AM
#3194
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You are extremely fortunate in your connections with a Ferrari dealership and i would say that access to the limited and premium Ferrari models is not likely unless you have longstanding history (i.e. points) and have bought several of the less desired cars. I have several friends who have bought numerous vehicles and even participate in the challenge race series, but even they have not gotten allocations for the TDF and Speciale. I would tell you that most people will not get the type of treatment from a Ferrari dealership that you experienced. I would exploit that connection to its fullest.
Unless you are one of the top clients at the Ferrari dealership, it would have been extremely hard to get a TDF as only a handful came to each dealership. Typically here, its the same five guys who get all the limited and premium cars, then sell for a profit to get the next one. So a question, if you bypassed the other people in" the point system", is that not like the 918 VIP issue but better since you didn't have to pay for a million dollar car! Well played, "Do as I say not as I do".
Unless you are one of the top clients at the Ferrari dealership, it would have been extremely hard to get a TDF as only a handful came to each dealership. Typically here, its the same five guys who get all the limited and premium cars, then sell for a profit to get the next one. So a question, if you bypassed the other people in" the point system", is that not like the 918 VIP issue but better since you didn't have to pay for a million dollar car! Well played, "Do as I say not as I do".
F owners are required to sell their F car back to the dealer on limited editions or hot models for msrp to retain status including signing a FROR to the dealer.
2RS - my guess is Porsche introduces more editions based on the 2RS as 918 guys aren't all over this they can drive them for free sell them back to the dealer - that's just odd expect another R scenario.