smac951

I hope this gets resolved also. I met Shawn a couple of years ago--nice guy.

CPR

I'm just gonna smoke some weed....

Bri Bro

1) So you didn't know the condition of the car when it was shipped, I would say that a a major oversite.
2) You paid the money but want a refund on a USED CAR? Do you have a contract or just a BOS stating "as is" on it.
3) You want to solve the problem in person with him so you post here? Do you really think anyone here is going to call him and settle your problem for you?

Joska

So Brian,

You are the one, who knows details about the deal, which just Shawn and I knew so far. It looks like you are becoming our conciliator in this case, because Shawn is not giving any statements. I don’t even know what he thinks about the whole thing. I call him every day since my arrival in the US on the 23rd.

Your post now seams to represent his opinion. This is a point where we can start. Can I call you, to talk with him or does he prefer we continue this public in the Forum?

Since he has given over you a response to my statement in public, let me respond. I would have wished to get this statement from him in person over the phone, so we would not have to bother all the others with this bad soap opera.

I do deals based on trust and reputation. Shawn seems to be a person to deal with. This is way I have decided to buy the car without seeing it. It was a public car. What could go wrong? If he would screw me, it would hurt him, because everyone in his environment would know.

It was a used car deal. He was afraid in the transaction to send the car without having the last payment of 4k. I told him it is a used car deal as is so he should not be afraid. I told him we have a binding contract he will get his money anyhow. Based on trust I made the complete money transfer earlier. He shipped the car, so it would make it to Hershey.

The transport was done by Intercity liners. I paid 1,5k for it. So the car arrived as it was shipped, guarantied no transport damages.

So tell me, what I have done wrong until this point.

VOoDOoGTX

oohhhhh i hate the suspense!!!!!

roman944

regardless of how, and when the car was sold
regardless of its condition
regardless of what the seller thinks, or what the buyer thinks

this is no way to treat anyone

the car was sold for a pretty sum of money, the seller and now the buyer are both Rennlist members - I don't think there is any room here for any of this crap

this is no way to treat a customer, if the seller doesn't respond and the buyer knows only 1 way to get in touch with him - and its through Rennlist - then by all mans. all other ways of contact appear to be ignored by the seller.

now, I don't know the whole story, I don't know neither the buyer nor the seller, I don't know the car or the condition of it, BUT I DO know that if the car was sold for THIS MUCH MONEY - and especially on Rennlist - the seller should atleast answer a phone call or an e-mail to see maybe there was an issue with shipping or maybe there is a question that the buyer wants to ask about the car

my 2nd step after making this thread would be to contact a Moderator/Administrator of Rennlist

and my 3rd step would be to contact a lawyer

Bri Bro

I don't know him. I have never meet the man and I don't have his phone number.

What you did wrong until this point?
1) You should should have personally inspected the car to insure it is what you wanted before you paid for it.
2) If you wanted a guarantee on the car, you should had a lawyer drawn up a contract that stated what was covered and how it would be paid for if there was a dispute.
3) You then should have transported the car to the carrier and got a signed report of the cars condition before transport.
4) You needed to mitigate the risk.

harrisonrick

The car looks nice from the few pics I've seen...what's the problem?

RajDatta

Brian, there are times we make decisions based on trust. We, as a culture tend not to trust anyone. That might not be the case for everyone. A car that has been well documented via magazines and forums seems like a safe bet for just about anyone, to buy site unseen.
Highsight is always 20/20. It's easy to say how you would have done it differently. Its not your $$ that is tied here. Give the guy a break.
The car was transported exactly the way it was picked up. I took delivery of it and spoke to the truck driver at lengths. The driver's impressions match Joska's.
I know this is entertainment for some people but try to put yourself in Joska's shoes. I am not trying to point fingers at anyone but there has to be an open line of communication to come to some sort of resolution.
I know both parties. Spoke to Shawn many times on the phone and have known Joska for well over 6 yrs. He stayed at my house during his US visit and I wouldn't let just about anyone over unless they are honest and trustworthy.
Let's try to put ourselves in his shoes and maybe it won't feel so good to not have someone not take your emails or phone calls.
Joska is being accomodating by giving him a chance. In the end, we all know what might be his last resort.
I will not share details on the car because it's not my place. I am still hoping that things get sorted out.
Raj

Chads996

My simple rules when buying / selling sports cars. Use them as you wish.

Selling:

1. Speak the truth.
2. Provide records.
3. If it's broke, fix it or let it be known.
4. Always, (and I do mean ALWAYS) provide a bill of sale stating that the buyer is now responsible for said vehicle and state that the vehicle is being sold AS-IS with no warranties implied.

Buying:

1. Put a deposit on said car contingent on passing an inspection. If the seller does not agree to this - WALK AWAY.
2. Get an inspection by an independent shop specializing in the car you are looking at. Preferably one that is not associated with the seller. If the seller does not agree to one - WALK AWAY
3. If the car needs work, use it as a negotiation tool.
4. If the seller balks at the work needed - WALK AWAY (depending on price of course).
5. Talk to the seller numerous times. This will tell you more about how he maintained (or did not) the car. - No warm fuzzies from the seller - WALK AWAY.
6. Transporting the car. I personally ALWAYS go meet the seller face-to-face and shake his hand. If I still don't get warm fuzzies - I WALK. I also prefer to drive my purchase home. This has made for some awesome adventures.

If the seller doesn't get an inspection. Too bad sunshine. You rolled the dice if it does not work out. To the buyer - if you didn't provide a bill of sale stating the details above or were trying to hide something. Again...you rolled the dice.

Lastly - Karma is a bitch. It will always come back around to bite you later.

I'll stick with 18 pages.

C.

Tom R.

A couple of fancy words, a few lines of sage sounding advice and a dogpile is still a dogpile.

If the vehicle was in fact falsely represented, then the purchaser should have recourse. There are methods other than a personal inspection to confirm the condition of something. I dont know the condition of the subject vehicle, but I have seen at least one of Raj's vehicles, and with no empirical evidence of the subjects condition, and just Raj's opinion, i am inclined to agree with Raj.

knfeparty

Despite any guarantees by the shipper, I know we've had some rennlist member's cars get really messed up (I remember one 951 that had several miles put on it and the engine blown!) by car shippers.

I'm not taking sides here but I would consider it more likely that the shipper is at fault than a rennlist member...but again I don't know the details as to what the damage is or when it happened.

It is weird that Shawn wouldn't call though...so has anybody verified that he's not, you know hurt or something?

Tom R.

i have my default at 40 posts per page.

Van

Intercity is a very reputable shipper of antique and classic cars - you know, like $6,000,000 Ferraris... Not trying to choose sides or anything, I just want to point out, for those that might not know, Intercity has a spectacular reputation.

Van

You can change how many posts per page? Do tell!