Manifold

Had my 570 for over a year, put 3k miles on it (total of 11k miles on it), usually drive it quite hard, have had no issues, local independent shop did annual servicing for a few hundred dollars. Have driven it in rain many times (with 4S tires, the car feels infallible in the rain) and through the winter, looks new.

Why compare with 4RS? Both cars are mid-engine two-seaters with a frunk, both can be driven on road and track, MSRP for 4RS was $201k and got 570 used with 8k miles on it for $160k (no warranty), so same ballpark for price. All of these sports cars are good when not compared with anything else, but none of us can have them all.

mrd_spy

570 are very cheap in the UK 1/2 the price of a GT4 RS atm. 3k miles lol come back when it's done 60k miles and also what the resale is.

Manifold

Mine won't depreciate much further from where it is now. Word is that McLarens like to have miles put on them, more reliable if they're driven.

It will be a rare 4RS that gets to 60k miles, many are bought for cars and coffee, weekend drives, and investment.

Will 4RS be durable? I hope so. I put 42k miles on my 991.1 GT3, a hundred track days, and it had two engine failures and one transmission failure, all while on track. Sold it last year because I was afraid to own it after the extended engine warranty expired. Ran into a 992 GT3 owner a few weeks ago and he told me his engine failed at low miles and replaced under warranty (same engine as 4RS), Porsche asked that he not publicize that.

vantage

Depends what you mean by a track alignment. If you want a "full" track alignment for sticky tires that is 100% track and 0% street along the lines of -3.5 front and -3.0 rear camber with appropriate toe and caster, then you'll need camber plates. If you want something more like 50% track / 50% street at -2.5 front and -2.0 rear camber, then you don't need the camber plates.

VRShader

On one had you say you have 100 track day experience, on another hand you doesn’t sound like a track nerd… could be me stereotyping unconscious bias. But interesting person.

Manifold

I've done about 250 track days since 2011, more than a hundred students instructed (PCA, Chin, BMW, SCCA, etc.), classroom instructor, checkout instructor, instructor mentor, former PCA safety chair. Tracked 997 C2S, Cayman R, 981 GT4, 991.1 GT3, 991.2 3RS, 992 GT3, 991.2 TTS, 992 TTS, Cayenne GTS, C63, and a bunch of student cars.

My wife also tracks, about 150 track days in most of the cars I listed, also an instructor with PCA.

Will track 4RS after break in.

jabwind51

Awesome! I will ask for “MR specs”. My dealer did 993 RS specs and GT2 specs for my old 996 turbo. They did a great job so should be capable….

mwar99

There were at least 3 4.0 GT cars at the dealership in the late fall with their engines out getting replaced because of failure. There is something that goes, I believe on the bottom end.

TDT

Most likely Oil ‘sump’ gasket. This is a known issue.

https://rennlist.com/forums/718-gts-...mp-gasket.html

seems to have been evident across the range of ‘992 GT3 engine cars’

MannyLon

Nope, not the Spider variety with reasonble miles. Typical Porsche enthusiast, always looking at resale

mwar99

No it was not. They were replacing the engine, not a gasket.

Manifold

Same for the one I mentioned, engine replaced.

TDT

Ok cool. Will wait to hear more!

Odin

This!

I’m reading post after post of people complaining on the ride quality of the 4RS, how numb it feels, rebound too stiff, wrong suspension and how bloody superior the 992GT3 is. If you were insecure of yourself it’d be a quite depressing read and I’m not sure the agenda people have doing so? Getting people to sell their pride and joy for pocket change?

To me, after having owned 11 911’s of all sorts, air cooled, turbo, water cooled, Carrera, GT, coupe and cabrio, even a tiptronic in the bunch, a Taycan and a Cayenne, a total of 14 very different Porsches over the last 10 years, the GT4RS is the most interesting car I’ve ever owned. Yes it can bounce on an undulating surface, yes it was a bit numb on turn in before track alignment, but after a proper track set up and with the aforementioned 30kgs shaved off with mags and PCCBs with the Manthey brake upgrade kit, it’s a brilliant track car. The inherent inferiority from not having a double wishbone front end, no RAS (like the S/T) and less rubber on the ground, makes it a more demanding car to drive fast and therefore more entertaining than any 992, including the GT3RS which really offers too little drama and giving a sense of driving in a PlayStation game, disconnected from the surroundings, because everything is so clinically easy and therefore ultimately a bit boring.

The GT4RS on the other hand is for people fed up with the never ending 911 iterations, wanting more dynamic and visceral drama, albeit still wanting Porsche reliability but still don’t want the Ferrari expenses. All the same time while having a superior touring car compared to the 992GT3RS and a much more fun track car than the standard 992GT3. RS is still RS and the feel and the nerve of the GT4RS is pure motorsport with all its pros and cons. And I still love the two luggage compartments it offers. Makes me giggle driving a contemporary track weapon and still it can be so practical.

And the reactions from the public is just hilarious! A bit overwhelming to be honest, if you’re not at your A-game at all times.

Love it. And for sure it’s a keeper and an investment grade Porsche that’s not ever going to be repeated. Once the production ends next year and legislation prohibits these absolute beasts on wheels, prices will skyrocket in the years to come.

Odin

Please, for your own sake and ours, don’t track it on stock alignment. Get a proper track alignment done first so we don’t have to listen to how bad the turn in is and how little playful it is. Once properly set up it’s way more engaging on track than your 992GT3. On sound alone it’s a walk over.