GT4 RS Driving Impressions
06-29-2024, 09:47 PM
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Bravo. You get the car.
Porsche made the 4RS to be a driver's car. The mid-engine layout with the quick direction changes (sometimes too quick) rewards good drivers that appreciate the nimbleness of mid engine cars. Nervous rear end compared to 911s? That's physics at work, mid engine cars ARE supposed to be more nervous, they are at the ready any time the driver wants to change direction.
At the end of the day, a 911 still needed to be muscled and manhandled into corners, the reward after is a super stable rear end on exits, in modern trim, not even a monkey can screw up exits.
People that complaints about the driving characteristics of the 4RS are just driving it wrong, most of them drive it like a 911, others are just bad drivers with bad techniques.
Porsche made the 4RS to be a driver's car. The mid-engine layout with the quick direction changes (sometimes too quick) rewards good drivers that appreciate the nimbleness of mid engine cars. Nervous rear end compared to 911s? That's physics at work, mid engine cars ARE supposed to be more nervous, they are at the ready any time the driver wants to change direction.
At the end of the day, a 911 still needed to be muscled and manhandled into corners, the reward after is a super stable rear end on exits, in modern trim, not even a monkey can screw up exits.
People that complaints about the driving characteristics of the 4RS are just driving it wrong, most of them drive it like a 911, others are just bad drivers with bad techniques.
06-29-2024, 11:00 PM
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Perhaps due to fuel tank location. Every other mid-engined car I can recall driving has the fuel tank co-located with the engine, so there's less weight on those nose and more trail braking required.
06-30-2024, 05:37 AM
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I took the 991.2 3RS for a drive today also, so all three GT cars driven the same day.
3RS is quite intense. It's very responsive to driver inputs, but it asks the driver to drive well, and it wants significant load on the stiff springs in order to handle well. Driven more gently, it just kind of bounces around and doesn't feel settled. It can very much be enjoyed on the road, but you have to drive it almost like you're on a track.
For a more well rounded sports car for the road, I think the 4RS may actually be a better choice than the 3RS, because the 4RS doesn't complain at all if it's not driven hard. There's definitely a zone of usage and drivers for which the 4RS is an excellent sports car for the road.
3RS is quite intense. It's very responsive to driver inputs, but it asks the driver to drive well, and it wants significant load on the stiff springs in order to handle well. Driven more gently, it just kind of bounces around and doesn't feel settled. It can very much be enjoyed on the road, but you have to drive it almost like you're on a track.
For a more well rounded sports car for the road, I think the 4RS may actually be a better choice than the 3RS, because the 4RS doesn't complain at all if it's not driven hard. There's definitely a zone of usage and drivers for which the 4RS is an excellent sports car for the road.
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06-30-2024, 07:35 AM
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06-30-2024, 09:39 AM
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A good alignment makes a pretty huge difference to both how the 991.2GT3 RS and 4RS handles. I have a lot of experience with the former and less so with the latter. Another often overlooked variable is the difference between cars with lower unsprung weight compared to another otherwise identical car. A 4RS fitted with Mags and PCCBs will steer and ride very different to one with neither option fitted. This translates to a total 30kg which transforms how a car drives especially on stiffly sprung GT Porsches.
06-30-2024, 09:48 AM
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I don't quite understand then what is your "playfullness" then. if it isn't turn in? is it weight transfer? can you describe it?. But I guess it could just be a feeling.
But judging by the fact that you like 991 series I think you probably prefer the rear engine feel. 992 vs 991, to me, is that 992 feels less rear engined and more mid engined. To a lot of people it is beneficial, but it probably reduced your fun factor.
But judging by the fact that you like 991 series I think you probably prefer the rear engine feel. 992 vs 991, to me, is that 992 feels less rear engined and more mid engined. To a lot of people it is beneficial, but it probably reduced your fun factor.
Compared to the 4RS, to me the 992 GT3 feels more responsive to driver inputs and communicates what it’s doing more clearly. That translates to more playfulness. Both cars have similar grip, but 4RS feels more locked down, which is opposite of what I expected given that it’s mid-engine.
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06-30-2024, 10:17 AM
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I think everything you’ve said is accurate.
Compared to the 4RS, to me the 992 GT3 feels more responsive to driver inputs and communicates what it’s doing more clearly. That translates to more playfulness. Both cars have similar grip, but 4RS feels more locked down, which is opposite of what I expected given that it’s mid-engine.
Compared to the 4RS, to me the 992 GT3 feels more responsive to driver inputs and communicates what it’s doing more clearly. That translates to more playfulness. Both cars have similar grip, but 4RS feels more locked down, which is opposite of what I expected given that it’s mid-engine.
06-30-2024, 07:30 PM
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Today, I drove my three mid-engine cars back to back, in this order: manual Cayman R (4S tires), 4RS (Dunlop tires), and McLaren 570 (4S tires).
I enjoyed the Cayman R and 4RS roughly equally. I wasn't in the mood for manual today, so that gave the 4RS an edge, though I don't like the amount of jolt when using the paddles in the 4RS. Cayman R is easier to move around and feels lighter, 4RS has a lot more grip and feels more locked down. 4RS is too loud when on it, volume needs to be turned down 20%.
I enjoyed the 570 MUCH more than the two Porsches. It's in a different league. Much better suspension and ride quality, feels more mid-engine and tossable, better shifting than the 4RS, sounds better to me than the other two, and much stronger acceleration. Most telepathic car I've ever driven.
I enjoyed the Cayman R and 4RS roughly equally. I wasn't in the mood for manual today, so that gave the 4RS an edge, though I don't like the amount of jolt when using the paddles in the 4RS. Cayman R is easier to move around and feels lighter, 4RS has a lot more grip and feels more locked down. 4RS is too loud when on it, volume needs to be turned down 20%.
I enjoyed the 570 MUCH more than the two Porsches. It's in a different league. Much better suspension and ride quality, feels more mid-engine and tossable, better shifting than the 4RS, sounds better to me than the other two, and much stronger acceleration. Most telepathic car I've ever driven.
06-30-2024, 07:47 PM
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God this thread has become a copy/paste job now...
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Be honest with yourselves, the issue is not repetition, but rather people not want reading anything other than glowing praise for the car.
I understand that, but filtering out criticisms of the car does a disservice to those who read these threads to help them decide if they want the car.
I understand that, but filtering out criticisms of the car does a disservice to those who read these threads to help them decide if they want the car.
06-30-2024, 09:26 PM
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Be honest with yourselves, the issue is not repetition, but rather people not want reading anything other than glowing praise for the car.
I understand that, but filtering out criticisms of the car does a disservice to those who read these threads to help them decide if they want the car.
I understand that, but filtering out criticisms of the car does a disservice to those who read these threads to help them decide if they want the car.
You're criticisms have been well and truly heard now, on repeat for quite some time. The Maclaren is the better all round car, and so it should be, I don't even know why you're continuing to compare the two, and even more strange is the constant comparison to the Cayman R. Who is actually cross shopping a Cayman R was a 4RS?
I also don't think there's anyone out here using the feedback from a few forum members to help them decide if they want to drop $200k+ on a car.
This probably would have been a really handy thread, but it's ready for the bin now.
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06-30-2024, 10:05 PM
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Be honest with yourselves, the issue is not repetition, but rather people not want reading anything other than glowing praise for the car.
I understand that, but filtering out criticisms of the car does a disservice to those who read these threads to help them decide if they want the car.
I understand that, but filtering out criticisms of the car does a disservice to those who read these threads to help them decide if they want the car.
And you say I am on repeat, LOL
I think maybe you need to private journal your particular thoughts on any given day on a personal diary for you to re-read.
We don't need to know what's in your head about all your cars every single day.
06-30-2024, 11:13 PM
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[QUOTE=jabwind51;19522277]Back in a 4RS!
First one had new Cup 2s and this has Dunlops
Anyone know the difference in driving or the general consensus? I did like the Cup 2s quite a bit. Don’t know anything about these.
PFA!
Dunlops are harder to source, take a little longer to get up to temp on track, but then seem to be more consistent for an extra 15-20% longer than the Cup 2 in my humble experience. I'm not an expert racecar driver by any stretch though.
First one had new Cup 2s and this has Dunlops
Anyone know the difference in driving or the general consensus? I did like the Cup 2s quite a bit. Don’t know anything about these.
PFA!
Dunlops are harder to source, take a little longer to get up to temp on track, but then seem to be more consistent for an extra 15-20% longer than the Cup 2 in my humble experience. I'm not an expert racecar driver by any stretch though.
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