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Eric5280

My experience in BMW auto cars is they give you brief control and then take it back if you don't manually shift quick enough. On the PDK, I can sit in one gear endlessly like it is a full manual.

Manifold

That's not how the DCT in the E9x M3 works. It works just like PDK in manual mode and will hold the gear like manual, engine braking if you lift off the throttle and bouncing off the rev limiter if you don't shift at redline.

Eric5280

I think the 4RS feels quicker because of gearing. Once broken in, interested in your assessment. 7-9k rpm is where all the magic happens on 4RS.

Noted on DCT, though I am not sure I'd want to choose from 5 levels.

The 4RS will never be my race car on 315 square Hoosier and 2600 lbs. At 290 whp it beats the 4RS in lap time and handles infinitely better, on MCS 3 ways, which would be awful on the street.

These are street cars, they are heavy pigs and compromised for street and crappy tires. Sometimes have to just enjoy what they are vs splitting every single detail.

Eric5280

Ok, my mistake. I was referencing the BMW "m sport" auto boxes, not the E9X M3 of which mine was manual. I drove a DCT E92 M3 on track and rented one in Germany but forgot about that.

The point is that the car does a good job of bridging the gap for someone that loves manual transmission and the short gears, hard shifts, engine noise, plus shift lever add to that. I have never liked any PDK/DCT before this and I think it is the sum of its parts that makes it work.

Manifold

In the fast Porsche GT cars, I prefer PDK. When I got the 991.1 GT3, I was sold on PDK, no desire to ever use regular manual again on track. I always use PDK in manual mode on track and for fun driving on the road. I only put in auto mode in heavy traffic or when going to and from the track.

In the 992 TTS, I usually leave it in auto because there's so much torque that the car isn't too sensitive gear selection, the shifting in auto mode is perfect, the manual shifting is noticeably slower than the GT cars, and I hit the rev limiter too often in manual mode because I'm not used to the lower redline.

Eric5280

Makes sense. I did drive a 991.1 GT3 on track but the PDK concept was pretty new at that time (to me at least) and I probably needed more time in the seat.

How is the 992 TTS repair coming?

Manifold

Slow. I think it could be months before I get the car back. The body shop and dealer don't seem to be in any hurry. Because the airbags deployed, the whole dash had to be removed. The absence of that car has shown me that I definitely don't 'need' it, but I sure do miss it. It's one of those cars that wows me (in a good way) every time I drive it.

Eric5280

Good to confirm you miss it and hopefully the work is done to a high level despite taking a long time.

Manifold

I finished break in of my 4RS. Yes, it definitely has more punch in the top third of the rev range. But I'd still say that it lacks punch in the middle third of the rev range, and the 992 GT3 is better there.

My overall impression of the car on the road hasn't changed - I like it, but I don't love it. I generally enjoy other cars, such as the 570 and Cayman R, more on the road (drove all three today).

This preference is as much a reflection of me as the cars. Objectively, the 4RS performs, and subjectively, lots of people evidently love it.

Drifting

great. Maybe you can restrain yourself from posting additional pointless GT4RS thoughts for at least a week? (A month would be better)

This thread would be more useful if posts were from a variety of different drivers with different backgrounds and perspectives. We have all heard your personal opinion of the 4RS…..50 times already.

Avera

The ‘problem’ – if you will – that you are conveying is, at least in part, why I found the GT4 so frustrating . . . and I have no doubt would be 'worse' with the RSThese are bridled racehorses on the common roadways

You accurately indicate the RS – like the GT4 – is best at the top of the rev range. PERFECT for the track! On the common roadways, what option do you have toward keeping the engine wrung out and at the top of the rev range . . . where is belongs???

Well, the answer is you drive around in 2nd gear all day long, occasionally 3rd gear, by which time you are well into serving jail time. There are always other cars are always present on roadways. Traffic lights omnipresent. Anticipation of a cop hiding behind the next corner.

Is it any better in a 911???

The GT4 and RS are track/race cars. For the common roadways, I have heard many state that a Miata is a superior sport car for the common roadways. The ego of Porsche sport car owners rarely allows them to arrive at this conclusion . . . I was one of them several times over before succumbing to the frustrations.

To be perfectly clear, I believe the GT4 is one of the finest sport cars made and I am sure the RS is even better . . . just not built to be enjoyed properly on the common roadways.

Avera

Manifold

I’ll post what I want, as often as I want. Use Ignore if you don’t want to read my posts.

Alan C.

Everybody doesn’t like the same thing. I’ve gone through several GT4s and GT3s. My favorite GT4 variant is my current GT4 RS. My favorite GT3 was my 991.2 GT3. Didn’t like the 992.1 GT3 and traded it for the GT4 RS. I really like this car and have no plans on trading it anytime soon. Nice to have choices.

cooler2442

This is why Porsche makes many different flavors. I drove both a 992 GT3 manual and a 991.2 GT3RS in the Malibu canyons, hard. I got out of the 992 GT3 feeling like the car was too big and it was doing everything for me which made it super easy to go fast but less fun and engaging. The 991.2 3RS did feel more raw but still felt big and didn't give me a feeling of having to work for going fast. Now the 4RS I have to work harder to be faster in the canyons especially on uneven pavement and lack of tire coming out of a corner in 1st or 2nd which to me is way more fun rather than the car doing everything for me. Also the 4RS feels smaller and I can easily dodge rocks/cyclists/etc while staying in my lane. If you're tracking or want the superior platform for going faster with less drama its easily the 991.2 3RS or 992 GT3 but if you want to have the most fun because you as the driver have to put in more effort then to me that's the 4RS.