TRZ06

DUH!!! The car has been out what a week or two and most have to go thru break-in. Of course you are not going to get much feedback yet. While the thread got sidetracked, that's what tends to happen with internet discussions.

lilbza

Well it's clearly titled GT4RS driving impressions, so why even comment about the short comings of the GT4's suspension in here, it's off topic. You've shared your opinions on it in every other thread where possible

TRZ06

Okay, forum police.

The thread hasn't been shut down and there has been some good info., so get over yourself and go with the flow.

Underblu

I hope you enjoy the GT4RS as much as I enjoy my Spyder. I find the 718 platform despite any perceived deficiencies to be brilliantly capable. The RS takes that goodness even further with suspension tweaks, improved aero, not to mention that brilliant GT3 engine. However its still a mid-engine strut platform based on the GT4 and should have certain handling characteristics consistent with that design.

Underblu

My logic is very clear. If I liked the way a GT3/GT4 handled then I would feel reasonably certain I would like the RS versions of each. If I didn’t like the handling characteristics of the GT3/GT4, I’d look for something else. I don’t see that as much of a stretch

And please just about everything is different on the 991 compared to the 993 including the position of the rear engine so that’a a specious line of reasoning

To my knowledge all of the suspension improvements made to the RS can also be made to the GT4, therefore tweaks, or mods if you’d prefer.

Whoopsy

One can keep arguing about the suspension on a GT4RS all one wants.

Just wanted state a coupe facts.

-GT4RS will be the first and last of its kind. There was never one before it and won't come a better one ever. In time it will be like the 993 turbos, last of the air-cools.

-992.1 GT3, it's just a run of the mill GT3, there are plenty before and plenty after. In fact, just a few weeks ago I saw the 992.2 GT3 running around Nardo, s other 992.1 GT3 has already been outdated as a better one is coming.

Between the 2, I picked the GT4RS in a heartbeat. It's just an all around better car. It's also a keeper, no so with a GT3.

Spyder75

It’s out months in Europe and some of us have racked up thousands of kms and plenty of track days so far.

I have to laugh at the bollox being spouted by the people who haven’t driven the car yet.

Ksdaoski

Find yourself using the lift much?

Spyder75

All the time. I’m surrounded by speed bumps though. There is a lot of aero bits going on under the front so as much height as possible to avoid catching those.

Archimedes

I think greatfox articulated it clearly. If you think those are immaterial changes, you don’t know much about performance cars. They add up to a significant difference in handling and performance, as is being reported by both reviewers and owners, and proven by some pretty quick lap times. Maybe it would be a good idea if everyone who doesn’t own a GT4RS would just stfu and let the people who actually own one provide actual feedback.

Nahhhh, it’s the Interwebs…

raymort

This is a solid statement from an authoritative source!

GrantG

Of all the changes between 993 and 991, the engine placement is one of the only things that didn’t really change significantly. But I understand your point.

greatfox315

Just checked and I was wrong: 800NM capacity or 590 lbs ft. It’s about 4 feet long and weighs a solid 15 lbs. 3/4” drive:

greatfox315

You could also say that when comparing a base Cayman to a GT4RS or a base 991.2 Carrera to a 991.2 GT2RS. Doesn’t make it a valid argument when claiming the suspension only has “very minor tweaks”.

Whoopsy

If you guys only knew what each and every single model/variant had to go through during testing.

All get validated at Nardo and Weissach. Hundred of highly qualified test drivers. For a setting/tuning to be released, there is a reason behind. At Nardo, they put cars on continuous 37+hrs loops around the big ring and the handling circuit. If hundreds of professionals deemed a suspension setting is good enough, it's good enough. For those that don't agreed with Porsche's 'selection', then you aren't a good enough driver, go learn to be a better one, plain and simple.

Of course there are different driving styles between drivers, but they aren't that far apart when one is good enough. Slight tire pressure change, toe-in/toe-out, slight camber adjustment is all that's needed. For those that think a wholesale suspension change is what needed for them to be satisfied, then you are the problem, not the car.

When I did endurance races with a partner, he prefers a car that's looser, but the difference in setup between him and I are like half a degree here and there, and a couple clicks on the brake bias, nothing wholesale. I had no problem driving his setup, not my preferred choice but it's fine and it works, he is the faster driver anyway so I adapt to his. I raced Cup cars, and also keep a GT4CS at my track. Cup car is faster, but the GT4CS is more enjoyable. The mid engine car just flows from corner to corner, very willing to change direction, as opposed to the Cup car where I really needed to wrestle it to go around corners. In my series, Cup cars and GT4CSs runs at the same time. One would think the Cup cars will be far out in front of the pack. it isn't. The slowest Cup cars would get passed by the fastest GT4CSs. it comes down to the driver, not the car.