New/Used Inventory GT4, Spyder, GTS for Sale
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Woah, touchy subject in Porsche being “accessible” lol. Just saying it should be accessible by buying at MSRP and not ADM. Maybe wrong choice of words…
But seems like we all want exclusivity and having something not everyone else can get. I agree with @sin911, for sure Porsche knows the number in order demand and builds less than demand to keep the interest high. For example, buyers are even clamoring for base Carreras just to get a bite of the Porsche pie. This was certainly not the case with previous gen base models.
But seems like we all want exclusivity and having something not everyone else can get. I agree with @sin911, for sure Porsche knows the number in order demand and builds less than demand to keep the interest high. For example, buyers are even clamoring for base Carreras just to get a bite of the Porsche pie. This was certainly not the case with previous gen base models.
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Do you really think the limiting factor is the demand or Porsche themselves deliberately limiting the production of sought after models? I strongly believe Porsche builds less than demand for most models like GT’s on purpose, rather than building less base models and more GT’s.
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I don't think that perception holds up. For example, @Lucifer has a thread on here showing that they actually build more GT4s and Spyders than CGTS and BGTS
And to be honest, there should be.
The GT4 makes much more sense than the Cayman.
And even I, as someone who wanted the Boxster over the Spyder, as the Boxster kinda makes sense in some scenarios, eventually realized that both shouldn't be driven as a daily driver, which in this case - why not go for the more desirable and exotic version?
The difference in price is just not big enough to justify not going for the GT version.
And over time - the GT versions would be substantially less expensive as it will depreciate less.
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I don't think that perception holds up. For example, @Lucifer has a thread on here showing that they actually build more GT4s and Spyders than CGTS and BGTS
most people than GTS 4.0.
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If dealers and customers order more GT4s and Spyders - there will be more GT4s and Spyders.
And to be honest, there should be.
The GT4 makes much more sense than the Cayman.
And even I, as someone who wanted the Boxster over the Spyder, as the Boxster kinda makes sense in some scenarios, eventually realized that both shouldn't be driven as a daily driver, which in this case - why not go for the more desirable and exotic version?
The difference in price is just not big enough to justify not going for the GT version.
And over time - the GT versions would be substantially less expensive as it will depreciate less.
And to be honest, there should be.
The GT4 makes much more sense than the Cayman.
And even I, as someone who wanted the Boxster over the Spyder, as the Boxster kinda makes sense in some scenarios, eventually realized that both shouldn't be driven as a daily driver, which in this case - why not go for the more desirable and exotic version?
The difference in price is just not big enough to justify not going for the GT version.
And over time - the GT versions would be substantially less expensive as it will depreciate less.
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Mile for mile the GTS will depreciate less based on % of MSRP as the miles get put on. Higher mileage GT4s seem to take a higher percentage hit than equivalent GTS cars that get driven. The threshold for what’s considered “high mileage” is different for the two vehicles. GT4 buyers seem far more mileage conscious than GTS buyers. That seems to be the case with any GT car though.
Also, a GT4 to my liking would have been around $25-30k more than my GTS. I know that’s nothing to some of you, but that’s a lot to the rest of us.
Also, a GT4 to my liking would have been around $25-30k more than my GTS. I know that’s nothing to some of you, but that’s a lot to the rest of us.
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Is that really true? I just sold my "high mile" 2020 8500 mile Spyder for above MSRP while these GTS's are struggling to hit MSRP.
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Remember that the GTS market has never been as inflated pricing wise as the GT/Spyder market.
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But isn’t that kinda a moot point if we are comparing MSRP? You claimed above as a percent of MSRP the GTs depreciate more… but if they are still being sold above list and the GTS isn’t …I’m not sure how that math checks out.
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Mile for mile the GTS will depreciate less based on % of MSRP as the miles get put on. Higher mileage GT4s seem to take a higher percentage hit than equivalent GTS cars that get driven. The threshold for what’s considered “high mileage” is different for the two vehicles. GT4 buyers seem far more mileage conscious than GTS buyers. That seems to be the case with any GT car though.
Also, a GT4 to my liking would have been around $25-30k more than my GTS. I know that’s nothing to some of you, but that’s a lot to the rest of us.
Also, a GT4 to my liking would have been around $25-30k more than my GTS. I know that’s nothing to some of you, but that’s a lot to the rest of us.
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i can say for me the $30k difference bewteen a GT4 and the GTS 4.0 i bought was large enough. I like the GT4 and if it weren't for the ADM I probably would of gone for it. But deep down the GTS 4.0 fits my needs more. The GT4 would of course be more exotic and get more looks at C&Cs but doesn't have some of the creature comforts that the 4.0 has and is a little less practical with the harsher ride and lower ground clearance. At the end of the day I am buying the car for me not what appeals to others.
The only negative I see with the GTS is not including the short-throw shifter in the GT variant. But that can also be fixed by buying the short shift module via suncoast.
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IMO, as a dd there’s little not to love about a GTS. A tad more compliant than a GT with all the growl.
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It's probably not applicable to compare GTS and GT4/Spyder variants in the second hand market. For years it's been essentially unheard of to find a GT4/Spyder allocation at MSRP (I'm sure the lucky few that have gotten one at MSRP will chime in here), while still rare but far more common to find a GTS at MSRP. Case in point, an ADM was a deal breaker for me. I would not pay one; my local dealer could get me a GTS allocation without an ADM, but not a Spyder. I went with the GTS.
This is going to hold true in the used market, as people looking to sell don't want to lose the 15-30k they invested over the MSRP so they'll just hold on to them if they can't get that back. The market will either speak or it won't; I don't imagine we'll start seeing asking prices near MSRP for a GT4/Spyder for quite some time because the people who owned them didn't pay MSRP.
It's logic and science.
This is going to hold true in the used market, as people looking to sell don't want to lose the 15-30k they invested over the MSRP so they'll just hold on to them if they can't get that back. The market will either speak or it won't; I don't imagine we'll start seeing asking prices near MSRP for a GT4/Spyder for quite some time because the people who owned them didn't pay MSRP.
It's logic and science.
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I would think those that have the means to buy at "Over market" also have the means to sell it at or below market when they find the next car. the cost / tax of having the new toy for some
It's probably not applicable to compare GTS and GT4/Spyder variants in the second hand market. For years it's been essentially unheard of to find a GT4/Spyder allocation at MSRP (I'm sure the lucky few that have gotten one at MSRP will chime in here), while still rare but far more common to find a GTS at MSRP. Case in point, an ADM was a deal breaker for me. I would not pay one; my local dealer could get me a GTS allocation without an ADM, but not a Spyder. I went with the GTS.
This is going to hold true in the used market, as people looking to sell don't want to lose the 15-30k they invested over the MSRP so they'll just hold on to them if they can't get that back. The market will either speak or it won't; I don't imagine we'll start seeing asking prices near MSRP for a GT4/Spyder for quite some time because the people who owned them didn't pay MSRP.
It's logic and science.
This is going to hold true in the used market, as people looking to sell don't want to lose the 15-30k they invested over the MSRP so they'll just hold on to them if they can't get that back. The market will either speak or it won't; I don't imagine we'll start seeing asking prices near MSRP for a GT4/Spyder for quite some time because the people who owned them didn't pay MSRP.
It's logic and science.
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I agree with your introspective choice between what car you truly want. I have a GT4 and although it has been great, now I am on the hunt for a GTS. Based on road driving / road-trips, I feel the GTS is much more suited for my needs. And yes, the creature comforts of 18-way and the higher ground clearance is a welcome change.
The only negative I see with the GTS is not including the short-throw shifter in the GT variant. But that can also be fixed by buying the short shift module via suncoast.
The only negative I see with the GTS is not including the short-throw shifter in the GT variant. But that can also be fixed by buying the short shift module via suncoast.
Depending on your comfort for aftermarket and tunes, a Cobbs L1 tune completely removes the engine performance delta because, you know, it’s the same engine. I’m fine with paying 80% of the sticker price to get a car that is somewhere between 80-100% of the GT4.