718 GT4RS
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#1367
#1368
Typically yes... But there are rumblings that they are mirroring the same approach they are doing with the Macan as with the 718 series. The Macan has had a refresh on it's current platform (95B) and it's slated for another refresh on the same platform all at the same time as the Macan EV with an entire new platform (based on the PPE) is introduced. Both will be sold in tandem. Porsche is easing the transition by offering both ICE and EV at the same time. To have a hard stop and switch to 100% EV would be suicide. Same thing is said to be happening for the 718.
#1369
Yes, rumor was this was on definitely on the table. Keep in mind this was prior to Covid and you know what that means.
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#1370
Yes, the 'VID has changed many things but since this is the first I'm hearing of this rumor just curious to know what was the actual rumor? I always thought the rumor was the 982 and 982.2 would be the last of the Boxster/Cayman with ICE and the next gen (again, call it 983 EV) would be only EV.
#1371
Elsewhere I have read that the problem has been to get the right performance/range in a cayman sized car. could it be a hybrid as they let battery tech get better? I have no links to cleaning ladies.
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#1372
Porsche has a BIG strategic decision to make - How does a legendary sports car company transition to all electric sports cars?
Do they take its most iconic car, the 911, and make an all-electric version of that first? OR do they take the Cayman/Boxster, a car with far less legacy and historical baggage than the 911 and make that car their electric sports car guinea pig? OR do they create an all new model brand, with 0 historical baggage, for their debut all-electric sports car?
Either way, it seems very unlikely that the first all-electric Porsche sports car would be based on any existing Porsche ICE platform. I'm not an automotive engineer, but intuitively, it looks like an impossible proposition to reengineer the existing ICE 911 or 718 into an electric vehicle. If anything would be reused to build an all-electric Porsche sports car, I could see them adapting a scaled down Taycan architecture for that purpose.
Do they take its most iconic car, the 911, and make an all-electric version of that first? OR do they take the Cayman/Boxster, a car with far less legacy and historical baggage than the 911 and make that car their electric sports car guinea pig? OR do they create an all new model brand, with 0 historical baggage, for their debut all-electric sports car?
Either way, it seems very unlikely that the first all-electric Porsche sports car would be based on any existing Porsche ICE platform. I'm not an automotive engineer, but intuitively, it looks like an impossible proposition to reengineer the existing ICE 911 or 718 into an electric vehicle. If anything would be reused to build an all-electric Porsche sports car, I could see them adapting a scaled down Taycan architecture for that purpose.
#1373
#1374
I suspect an evolution to all electric. I think what we'll see first is mild hybridization in both 718 and 911. Think something along the lines of 25-40 hp electric to improve torque. I think the 991.2 was designed (PDK, too) to handle a hybrid set up. Just some things I've heard (no cleaning ladies).
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#1375
Porsche has a BIG strategic decision to make - How does a legendary sports car company transition to all electric sports cars?
Do they take its most iconic car, the 911, and make an all-electric version of that first? OR do they take the Cayman/Boxster, a car with far less legacy and historical baggage than the 911 and make that car their electric sports car guinea pig? OR do they create an all new model brand, with 0 historical baggage, for their debut all-electric sports car?
Either way, it seems very unlikely that the first all-electric Porsche sports car would be based on any existing Porsche ICE platform. I'm not an automotive engineer, but intuitively, it looks like an impossible proposition to reengineer the existing ICE 911 or 718 into an electric vehicle. If anything would be reused to build an all-electric Porsche sports car, I could see them adapting a scaled down Taycan architecture for that purpose.
Do they take its most iconic car, the 911, and make an all-electric version of that first? OR do they take the Cayman/Boxster, a car with far less legacy and historical baggage than the 911 and make that car their electric sports car guinea pig? OR do they create an all new model brand, with 0 historical baggage, for their debut all-electric sports car?
Either way, it seems very unlikely that the first all-electric Porsche sports car would be based on any existing Porsche ICE platform. I'm not an automotive engineer, but intuitively, it looks like an impossible proposition to reengineer the existing ICE 911 or 718 into an electric vehicle. If anything would be reused to build an all-electric Porsche sports car, I could see them adapting a scaled down Taycan architecture for that purpose.
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#1376
I am starting to get nervous about the implementation of pure electric in Porsche’s.
They make some of the best n/a engines, and have proven that they can make incredible hybrids (918) and that is something I might even be interested in...but I really have no interest in a pure electric sports car, commuter car sure, but I’m not trying to fall asleep in my sports car. I’ve driven a ton of electric cars, and own two of them, I just would never call them “fun”.
I am giving serious thought to trading my turbo’ed Carrera T for a 718 GTS/GT4/GT4RS for the naturally aspirated engine because I’m not sure how much longer these will be available.
Only hurdle for the trade is the wife
They make some of the best n/a engines, and have proven that they can make incredible hybrids (918) and that is something I might even be interested in...but I really have no interest in a pure electric sports car, commuter car sure, but I’m not trying to fall asleep in my sports car. I’ve driven a ton of electric cars, and own two of them, I just would never call them “fun”.
I am giving serious thought to trading my turbo’ed Carrera T for a 718 GTS/GT4/GT4RS for the naturally aspirated engine because I’m not sure how much longer these will be available.
Only hurdle for the trade is the wife
#1377
Typically yes... But there are rumblings that they are mirroring the same approach they are doing with the Macan as with the 718 series. The Macan has had a refresh on it's current platform (95B) and it's slated for another refresh on the same platform all at the same time as the Macan EV with an entire new platform (based on the PPE) is introduced. Both will be sold in tandem. Porsche is easing the transition by offering both ICE and EV at the same time. To have a hard stop and switch to 100% EV would be suicide. Same thing is said to be happening for the 718.
Only problem is that the 981/982 platform is very well (tight) packaged..this is not an SUV. Where are you going to put the batteries? Reduce frunk space?
Also, how you are going to add the Electric engine that goes between engine and transmission or would it be one or two engine on the front axle? They need to make a new body in white in order for this to work.
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#1378
Only problem is that the 981/982 platform is very well (tight) packaged..this is not an SUV. Where are you going to put the batteries? Reduce frunk space?
Also, how you are going to add the Electric engine that goes between engine and transmission or would it be one or two engine on the front axle? They need to make a new body in white in order for this to work.
Also, how you are going to add the Electric engine that goes between engine and transmission or would it be one or two engine on the front axle? They need to make a new body in white in order for this to work.
This was all pre COVID though... So I’m sure plans have shifted? I did read that the 982 (whether 982.1 or 982.2) will solder on until 2023. Which might mean one more year of GT4/Spyder... then closing out with the RS as everyone mentions. So the above tandem plans like the Macan might be dead? Just saying it was on the table and yet to be decided.
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#1379
The biggest issue for a 982.2 or a Macan.3 is that they've already got a very outdated interior by current standards. There's a limit to how much that can be updated without building an entirely new car, and to present another "new" car with only a light refresh of the inside would be a bit embarrassing today never mind in another year or two.
I mean, I like the old "many buttons!" style and find it convenient, but it looks positively ancient compared to any contemporary Porsche outside of the Macan which is equally old.
I mean, I like the old "many buttons!" style and find it convenient, but it looks positively ancient compared to any contemporary Porsche outside of the Macan which is equally old.
#1380
The biggest issue for a 982.2 or a Macan.3 is that they've already got a very outdated interior by current standards. There's a limit to how much that can be updated without building an entirely new car, and to present another "new" car with only a light refresh of the inside would be a bit embarrassing today never mind in another year or two.
I mean, I like the old "many buttons!" style and find it convenient, but it looks positively ancient compared to any contemporary Porsche outside of the Macan which is equally old.
I mean, I like the old "many buttons!" style and find it convenient, but it looks positively ancient compared to any contemporary Porsche outside of the Macan which is equally old.