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Old 02-08-2021 | 11:48 AM
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I don't think this car will suffer same collector-mania fate as Speedster and others... it's just meant to be the track car, we will use it as such.
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Old 02-08-2021 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jmartpr
982.2?????? The current "982" is basically a 981.2, second gen of the 98X platform...they just call it 982 internally at PAG but it's the exact same platform as a 981.
Whatever comes next it wont be 982, will be a brand new car with new body-in-white, etc.
Typically yes... But there are rumblings that they are mirroring the same approach they are doing with the Macan as with the 718 series. The Macan has had a refresh on it's current platform (95B) and it's slated for another refresh on the same platform all at the same time as the Macan EV with an entire new platform (based on the PPE) is introduced. Both will be sold in tandem. Porsche is easing the transition by offering both ICE and EV at the same time. To have a hard stop and switch to 100% EV would be suicide. Same thing is said to be happening for the 718.
Old 02-08-2021 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by n4v4nod
Typically yes... But there are rumblings that they are mirroring the same approach they are doing with the Macan as with the 718 series. The Macan has had a refresh on it's current platform (95B) and it's slated for another refresh on the same platform all at the same time as the Macan EV with an entire new platform (based on the PPE) is introduced. Both will be sold in tandem. Porsche is easing the transition by offering both ICE and EV at the same time. To have a hard stop and switch to 100% EV would be suicide. Same thing is said to be happening for the 718.
Wait, so you're saying the 982 should introduce the 982.2 and then at the same time introduce (let's call it) 983 EV? This is the first I'm hearing of this. Would be interesting to see if this pans out.
Old 02-08-2021 | 04:57 PM
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Wait, so you're saying the 982 should introduce the 982.2 and then at the same time introduce (let's call it) 983 EV? This is the first I'm hearing of this. Would be interesting to see if this pans out.
Yes, rumor was this was on definitely on the table. Keep in mind this was prior to Covid and you know what that means.

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Old 02-08-2021 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by n4v4nod
Yes, rumor was this was on definitely on the table. Keep in mind this was prior to Covid and you know what that means.
Interesting. This is the first I've heard of this rumor. So would the 983 EV simply be a derivative of the 982 platform, maybe say a 982.3 designation or would it truly be a whole new generation as in 983?

Yes, the 'VID has changed many things but since this is the first I'm hearing of this rumor just curious to know what was the actual rumor? I always thought the rumor was the 982 and 982.2 would be the last of the Boxster/Cayman with ICE and the next gen (again, call it 983 EV) would be only EV.
Old 02-08-2021 | 05:36 PM
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Elsewhere I have read that the problem has been to get the right performance/range in a cayman sized car. could it be a hybrid as they let battery tech get better? I have no links to cleaning ladies.

​​​​​​https://www.autoblog.com/2020/03/10/...-e0IuX5xa6Dnah

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Old 02-08-2021 | 05:46 PM
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Porsche has a BIG strategic decision to make - How does a legendary sports car company transition to all electric sports cars?

Do they take its most iconic car, the 911, and make an all-electric version of that first? OR do they take the Cayman/Boxster, a car with far less legacy and historical baggage than the 911 and make that car their electric sports car guinea pig? OR do they create an all new model brand, with 0 historical baggage, for their debut all-electric sports car?

Either way, it seems very unlikely that the first all-electric Porsche sports car would be based on any existing Porsche ICE platform. I'm not an automotive engineer, but intuitively, it looks like an impossible proposition to reengineer the existing ICE 911 or 718 into an electric vehicle. If anything would be reused to build an all-electric Porsche sports car, I could see them adapting a scaled down Taycan architecture for that purpose.

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I want them to build this https://www.autoweek.com/news/future...c-porsche-914/
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Old 02-08-2021 | 05:56 PM
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I suspect an evolution to all electric. I think what we'll see first is mild hybridization in both 718 and 911. Think something along the lines of 25-40 hp electric to improve torque. I think the 991.2 was designed (PDK, too) to handle a hybrid set up. Just some things I've heard (no cleaning ladies).
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Old 02-08-2021 | 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 0-Day
Porsche has a BIG strategic decision to make - How does a legendary sports car company transition to all electric sports cars?

Do they take its most iconic car, the 911, and make an all-electric version of that first? OR do they take the Cayman/Boxster, a car with far less legacy and historical baggage than the 911 and make that car their electric sports car guinea pig? OR do they create an all new model brand, with 0 historical baggage, for their debut all-electric sports car?

Either way, it seems very unlikely that the first all-electric Porsche sports car would be based on any existing Porsche ICE platform. I'm not an automotive engineer, but intuitively, it looks like an impossible proposition to reengineer the existing ICE 911 or 718 into an electric vehicle. If anything would be reused to build an all-electric Porsche sports car, I could see them adapting a scaled down Taycan architecture for that purpose.
their public comments about the 911 platform suggest it’ll be last. They’ve done prototypes of a BEV cayman. Either way it’ll be a new platform, like the taycan, regardless of the badge.
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Old 02-09-2021 | 07:24 AM
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I am starting to get nervous about the implementation of pure electric in Porsche’s.

They make some of the best n/a engines, and have proven that they can make incredible hybrids (918) and that is something I might even be interested in...but I really have no interest in a pure electric sports car, commuter car sure, but I’m not trying to fall asleep in my sports car. I’ve driven a ton of electric cars, and own two of them, I just would never call them “fun”.

I am giving serious thought to trading my turbo’ed Carrera T for a 718 GTS/GT4/GT4RS for the naturally aspirated engine because I’m not sure how much longer these will be available.

Only hurdle for the trade is the wife
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Old 02-09-2021 | 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by n4v4nod
Typically yes... But there are rumblings that they are mirroring the same approach they are doing with the Macan as with the 718 series. The Macan has had a refresh on it's current platform (95B) and it's slated for another refresh on the same platform all at the same time as the Macan EV with an entire new platform (based on the PPE) is introduced. Both will be sold in tandem. Porsche is easing the transition by offering both ICE and EV at the same time. To have a hard stop and switch to 100% EV would be suicide. Same thing is said to be happening for the 718.

Only problem is that the 981/982 platform is very well (tight) packaged..this is not an SUV. Where are you going to put the batteries? Reduce frunk space?
Also, how you are going to add the Electric engine that goes between engine and transmission or would it be one or two engine on the front axle? They need to make a new body in white in order for this to work.
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Old 02-09-2021 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jmartpr
Only problem is that the 981/982 platform is very well (tight) packaged..this is not an SUV. Where are you going to put the batteries? Reduce frunk space?
Also, how you are going to add the Electric engine that goes between engine and transmission or would it be one or two engine on the front axle? They need to make a new body in white in order for this to work.
That’s what I am saying the 718 version EV (more than likely a new name) will be on a EV new platform... all while the 982.2 carries on the existing platform. Never said they would be the same platform.

This was all pre COVID though... So I’m sure plans have shifted? I did read that the 982 (whether 982.1 or 982.2) will solder on until 2023. Which might mean one more year of GT4/Spyder... then closing out with the RS as everyone mentions. So the above tandem plans like the Macan might be dead? Just saying it was on the table and yet to be decided.

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Old 02-09-2021 | 11:16 AM
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The biggest issue for a 982.2 or a Macan.3 is that they've already got a very outdated interior by current standards. There's a limit to how much that can be updated without building an entirely new car, and to present another "new" car with only a light refresh of the inside would be a bit embarrassing today never mind in another year or two.

I mean, I like the old "many buttons!" style and find it convenient, but it looks positively ancient compared to any contemporary Porsche outside of the Macan which is equally old.
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Originally Posted by JCviggen
The biggest issue for a 982.2 or a Macan.3 is that they've already got a very outdated interior by current standards. There's a limit to how much that can be updated without building an entirely new car, and to present another "new" car with only a light refresh of the inside would be a bit embarrassing today never mind in another year or two.

I mean, I like the old "many buttons!" style and find it convenient, but it looks positively ancient compared to any contemporary Porsche outside of the Macan which is equally old.
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