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IMHO:
1. You can drive to, in, and from the track
2. Some people think that new 911's are not raw enough, too big, too electronic, exception perhaps to GT cars
3. No 992 GT cars yet
However, latest and greatest may play a role to many. To each their own.
Damn... he answered everything I wanted to say. I can only add that if you drive a 718 GT4 Clubsport you will be mesmerized.. and your only wish would be that you could drive it home from the track too.
VOILA... !!! GT4RS.
I’ve driven a Cup car and other cars set up ***** to the wall for the track. The last wish on my mind was that I could drive any of them home from the track, much less on my backroads. And #2 makes my point. The cars cushy enough to be even barely acceptable for a drive from/to the track are, of course, found to be “not raw enough”. People keep wanting to have their cake and eat it too with every new RS model, over and over again.
Everyone I know that has gotten a proper race/track car that they can drive to/from the track has either moved on to a dedicated race/track car with trailer and tow vehicle, or moved back to a backroad friendly carver that they maybe take to the track 1-2x/year, or both. As a result, 95% of RS’s end up getting collected, petted in hangars, and shown at cars and coffee where their ability to get driven to/from the track gets praised but rarely used.
I’ve driven a Cup car and other cars set up ***** to the wall for the track. The last wish on my mind was that I could drive any of them home from the track, much less on my backroads. And #2 makes my point. The cars cushy enough to be even barely acceptable for a drive from/to the track are, of course, found to be “not raw enough”. People keep wanting to have their cake and eat it too with every new RS model, over and over again.
Everyone I know that has gotten a proper race/track car that they can drive to/from the track has either moved on to a dedicated race/track car with trailer and tow vehicle, or moved back to a backroad friendly carver that they maybe take to the track 1-2x/year, or both. As a result, 95% of RS’s end up getting collected, petted in hangars, and shown at cars and coffee where their ability to get driven to/from the track gets praised but rarely used.
Or maybe I hang with different crowds...
But unless one has the time and resources to justify a dedicated track car, including transportation, maintenance and storage, a GT3/4RS might be the best in between solution, and the GT4RS might be the closest one can get to a track car. Also, it is nice to feel how much your street legal car can give you and for that, there is the track, and an extra seat for a coach. I believe there is demand for both cases. And I'm glad there is an offer for every need.
Admittedly the shifts were fast but the note of the shift is quite different from what a PDK shift sounds like there is usually a lower note towards the end of the shift what does everyone think?Compare to lizard green, I assume ,gt3 RS in the first Video actually the shifting in that car was very PDKish .Seems quite different I think!Cheers HOM
But unless one has the time and resources to justify a dedicated track car, including transportation, maintenance and storage, a GT3/4RS might be the best in between solution, and the GT4RS might be the closest one can get to a track car. Also, it is nice to feel how much your street legal car can give you and for that, there is the track, and an extra seat for a coach. I believe there is demand for both cases. And I'm glad there is an offer for every need.
I'd argue that it would take more time and/or resources to track a brand new $200k+ street car (depreciation, insurance, maintenance, registration, taxes) vs an equally fast (if not faster and more engaging) $50-100k dedicated race car assuming equal level of abuse. Not to mention the diametrically opposed optimal track vs street set ups for suspension, alignment, and tires and the associated wear/costs that come with using sub-optimal settings. The RS, as described, is also a dedicated track car, just driven instead of towed to/from the track.
Finally, I find the obsession with improved laptimes, HP, and downforce of the latest and greatest to be misplaced. The amount of fun you can have with a track car as you improve as a driver has almost nothing to do with the fact that one car is X.XXsec faster than another around the track in the hands of a pro.
That said, were all just sharing our own experiences and opinions -- to each their own. The last thing I want is for the production of new RS cars to stop.
I'd argue that it would take more time and/or resources to track a brand new $200k+ street car (depreciation, insurance, maintenance, registration, taxes) vs an equally fast (if not faster and more engaging) $50-100k dedicated race car assuming equal level of abuse. Not to mention the diametrically opposed optimal track vs street set ups for suspension, alignment, and tires and the associated wear/costs that come with using sub-optimal settings. The RS, as described, is also a dedicated track car, just driven instead of towed to/from the track.
Finally, I find the obsession with improved laptimes, HP, and downforce of the latest and greatest to be misplaced. The amount of fun you can have with a track car as you improve as a driver has almost nothing to do with the fact that one car is X.XXsec faster than another around the track in the hands of a pro.
That said, were all just sharing our own experiences and opinions -- to each their own. The last thing I want is for the production of new RS cars to stop.
I own & race a Spec Boxster (orange one in my sig) but I've raced MX-5 (Miata) in the Skip Barber race series for many years. I've also raced rented Spec Miatas couple of times. The Spec Miata are easily the most talented and most competitive fields in all of racing.
I own & race a Spec Boxster (orange one in my sig) but I've raced MX-5 (Miata) in the Skip Barber race series for many years. I've also raced rented Spec Miatas couple of times. The Spec Miata are easily the most talented and most competitive fields in all of racing.
I knew I could smell a fellow Spec Miata guy.
Agreed, a Spec Miata would be my track car of choice and once was.
Are you saying the left 718 gt4 graph is hub dyno and the right 991.1 gt3 graph is wheel dyno? My understanding is that they are the same, otherwise why post them in response to a question about comparing them? If so, the point is in the comparison, not the absolute numbers. The 718 gt4 makes more hp at every rpm.
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