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05-27-2021 | 01:54 PM
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I don't think there is ANY risk that the next-gen Cayman/Boxster is Electric only. Worst case it will be ICE plus an Electric option, but I doubt even that.
I had owned Tesla and other EVs from 2013-2021, sold the last Tesla to go back to ICE with the Macan and then the CGTS 4.0 here in 2021. I followed the tech and the blogs very closely. I don't think the battery tech is there yet to do a pure EV the size and weight of a 718. It would be WAY too heavy, it would need to be more so of a Grand Touring sort of 2 seater or 2+2. Keep in mind that a 2021 Tesla Model 3 weighs 4,000 pounds, and Tesla is a couple of years ahead of Porsche on battery efficiency. Porsche actually made a public statement about that in March of 2020.
I drove a Taycan 4S as a loaner as a couple of weeks, and it was FANTASTIC! I found it to be very sporty, excellent handling and a nice low driver's position, but a bit long. I would love Porsche to come out with a slightly smaller Taycan Coupe. But I don't think it would be a 718/Cayman/Boxster direct replacement, it would likely need to be significantly larger and heavier than the Cayman. I think it would just be the "Taycan Coupe". Sign me up for that one if/when it comes out, to complement my awesome CGTS 4.0!
What I *DO* think there is risk of is the next Gen GT4/Spyder/GTS 4.0 being a 4 cylinder ICE/Electric Hybrid like the Next Gen AMG C63 has been announced to be. I don't think Porsche knows this yet, I think it will depend mostly on the regulatory pressures at the time they need to decide. Perhaps their increases in pure EV sales with the Taycan, the Taycan CT and the forthcoming Macan will take some pressure off of their fleet mix as a manufacturer, and give them some breathing room to keep the 911s and 718s going with 6 cylinder engines at least through current decade?
This uncertainty of the next gen of 718 does scare me. While I am totally loving my Cayman GTS 4.0, I have been thinking recently about also getting a 2022 GT4 and keeping low miles on it, to hedge against this concern...
I had owned Tesla and other EVs from 2013-2021, sold the last Tesla to go back to ICE with the Macan and then the CGTS 4.0 here in 2021. I followed the tech and the blogs very closely. I don't think the battery tech is there yet to do a pure EV the size and weight of a 718. It would be WAY too heavy, it would need to be more so of a Grand Touring sort of 2 seater or 2+2. Keep in mind that a 2021 Tesla Model 3 weighs 4,000 pounds, and Tesla is a couple of years ahead of Porsche on battery efficiency. Porsche actually made a public statement about that in March of 2020.
I drove a Taycan 4S as a loaner as a couple of weeks, and it was FANTASTIC! I found it to be very sporty, excellent handling and a nice low driver's position, but a bit long. I would love Porsche to come out with a slightly smaller Taycan Coupe. But I don't think it would be a 718/Cayman/Boxster direct replacement, it would likely need to be significantly larger and heavier than the Cayman. I think it would just be the "Taycan Coupe". Sign me up for that one if/when it comes out, to complement my awesome CGTS 4.0!
What I *DO* think there is risk of is the next Gen GT4/Spyder/GTS 4.0 being a 4 cylinder ICE/Electric Hybrid like the Next Gen AMG C63 has been announced to be. I don't think Porsche knows this yet, I think it will depend mostly on the regulatory pressures at the time they need to decide. Perhaps their increases in pure EV sales with the Taycan, the Taycan CT and the forthcoming Macan will take some pressure off of their fleet mix as a manufacturer, and give them some breathing room to keep the 911s and 718s going with 6 cylinder engines at least through current decade?
This uncertainty of the next gen of 718 does scare me. While I am totally loving my Cayman GTS 4.0, I have been thinking recently about also getting a 2022 GT4 and keeping low miles on it, to hedge against this concern...
The other possibility is Porsche keeps the ICE in the GT models going by charging a gas guzzler tax. I could have sworn that the 991 GT3 had a gas guzzler tax on the window stickers but couldn't find anything in my quick search to confirm this. I checked on the 992 GT3 and did a quick build on Porsche's website and it didn't show a gas guzzler tax so maybe the 991 gen had it and Porsche somehow avoided it for the 992 GT3.
As many have mentioned, if the 983 (or whatever it's called) generation does have a hybrid or plug in variant, I think that will stay with the base, S, and T variants. I think the GTS, GT4, and Spyder variants will stick with NA ICE for a long time to even where I think we'd be willing to pay a gas guzzler tax to avoid turbos and hybrid or plug in variants of the GT(S) models.
05-27-2021 | 01:58 PM
#2192
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"Gas Guzzler Tax" is literally a tax - not something Porsche has control over (well, aside from raising the fuel economy of the vehicle.) It's applied, by law, to any vehicle that does not meet an EPA combined rating of 22.5 mpg.
05-27-2021 | 02:16 PM
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Yup. Fully aware of what the gas guzzler tax is. My point is, Porsche continues to develop and offers a non-turbo, NA ICE in the GT models even if they don't meet emissions requirements in the next gen 983 and get hit with a gas guzzler tax on the GT models. I'm saying many people will be willing to pay the gas guzzler tax rather than have Porsche put turbos, hybrid or plug in hybrid in the GT models.
05-27-2021 | 02:27 PM
#2194
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The demand request is just something the dealer does to let the mothership know that there is someone out there that is interested. An allocation does not have to exist to submit the DR. You do not go V200 until there is an actual allocation available. And if your dealer does not have one, there is no telling when they will get one. And if they do get one, you need to find out if you are first in line or if there are people ahead of you. Just clarifying. You may have already known this.
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06-07-2021 | 08:20 PM
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06-07-2021 | 10:12 PM
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06-07-2021 | 10:41 PM
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Allocations generally hit quarterly, although it’s not that simple or regular.
Expect fall allocation dates to drop next month or so. Factory closes in August, so next available allocation dates will be Sep dates.
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06-08-2021 | 12:08 AM
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Not saying you’re wrong, but that sounds inconsistent with the way my SA has talked about the process…which was never direct and complete, to be sure. But he has referenced “allocations” which become available each month. Maybe the misunderstanding is me projecting my expectations / assumptions.
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06-08-2021 | 12:46 AM
#2204
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I got the call for my 2020 build allocation around this time last year in the first week of June 2020. I'm not sure if they are different from a normal allocation or from a timeline perspective or not, but my SA told me that they got one last 2020 GT4 allocation that he described to me at the time as a extra bonus allocation that his dealership had received as a reward from corporate based on their recent sales performance. It almost sounded to me like it was a surprise allocation they were granted for a build at the end of the then 2020 model year run.
06-08-2021 | 01:20 PM
#2205
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Not sure about GT4 allocations, tho.
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