Bearrun21

For background, I am a guy who had a GT4 go down on the Felicity Ace. So while that event has given neither my dealer or myself a crystal ball into Porsche allocation plans, the current status I have is:

• 718 allocations that do come in May, would be for 2022 cars.
• In my case, my GT4 is going to be a 2023 (and that was because it was a PTS). They do not expect the May allocation will be an order bank opening for 2023 cars. Simply, we are watching the May date, as I may order a 2022 non-GT car as a stopgap / hedge.

Yes, I'll be glad to share an update on / before May 6 as I learn more...and even better will be if others are getting 718 allocations at other dealers across the USA.

Zhao

Makes zero sense why they wouldn't be hugely profitable. We know they are profitable because they make lots of them. If they weren't profitable there would be 300 made like the LFA and then they'd never make another GT car again.

Ya R&D is very expensive for cars, but a lot of the R&D is already done. You're basically taking a base car and doubling the price to swap out new suspension components, an engine, and some stick on components. in the case of a GT4, all the extra cost should mostly be profit because a lot of the different parts come from a parts bin already available. It's not like the GT4 engine costs more to produce than a GTS engine, or the materials in the suspension or slightly different body components are any more exotic or cost significantly more to produce than the GTS.

unclemat

^ Exactly. And this is probably why in this supply-constrained environment, we'll end up with more GT4/Spyders produced than the "pedestrian" GTS 4.0s...

Spyder718

Not a chance. That's not how this works in Porsche land. Plus the GTS 4.0 is not really a bargain compared to the Spyder/GT4, is it?
I've never been worried about Porsche not making enough money. They are doing this after every car they sell .

dmk2

GT4 and Spyder don’t have 20k more hardware compared to GTS 4.0

Spyder718

No doubt. That's why, if my math doesn't fail me here the base price difference in the US of Cayman vs GT4 is $13,800 and Boxster vs Spyder is $8,800.
How much $ are the aero bits, (carbon fiber?) GT4 spoiler, bespoke Sypder rear lid, GT3 brakes and suspension parts, additional R&D?
I don't know? But the $13K GT4 and $8K Spyder up-charge is certainly not 100% profit. I'd guess the total profit margins GTS 4.0, Spyder and GT4 are within 1 or 2%.

raymort

Forgetting NRE and marketing, these cars likely cost less than 45k in materials

6IXSPD

This was exactly the case for the 991 production run: more GT3s than most other 911 variants. And yet, the GT3s are still commanding huge premiums many years after end of production. Demand for the GT products always remains higher than supply, no matter how many more they pump out vs. non-GT models.

unclemat

Of course. Who says rarity equals desirability? GT3 to other 911 is not even fair comparison. But even for the 718, I can totally understand why GT4/Spyder have been and will continue to be more desirable than the "pedestrian" GTS 4.0. I personally think this is misguided and if people actually drove those cars they would have been happier with GTS. But can't argue with the market.

TXshaggy

According to Porsche production stats for the 991 gen over 233,000 911s produced. How many GT3s produced in that era?

SpyderSenseOC

I'll be honest. Top priority for me is how a car looks. Period. Appearance is number one. The design of the Spyder body is what pulled me in. How it performs in relation to a GTS or an S is a distant second to me.

frankchn

Not sure, but someone collated that data various variants for the 991 generation in the US and Canada markets: https://rennlist.com/forums/992-turb...l#post16577702

Rasputin.

Okay boys I asked my buddy about this, and he said he is going to ask his colleague what he has heard in regards to Porsche stopping GT4 production

Zhao

I think he means more GT3s than most of the sub variants, and there are a lot of those so he's probably correct. Most people that get a 'GT3' get a GT3, because tourings are super rare, and RS's are unobtainium for a lot of people. Probably more GT3's than GTS Targas, or base 4's, Turbo S's, etc.

planolemans

Looks like there will be a 2023 model GT4. The base price on the Porsche configurator has increased and show a new color in the USA; up by $1350 from my 2022 GT4.