You 'IF' scenario is impossible, like IF the sun rise from the West............

It's not even a valid argument.

 

Sorry you don't understand. I'll spare all those who do the back-and-forth...

 

We had a Volt as well. That was a really great car. We loved it! We pretty much only ran the ICE twice a year when the Volt demanded the 6 month old gas be burned off.

Sold it in "better than new" condition about 3 years old at top BlueBook value. Someone got a really nice ride for 13K! My wife still misses it...

 

Touche'.

'Coasting' is when you press and hold the clutch pedal down. Doesn't matter what gear you are in...

Interestingly, speaking of the EV-1, it had a 'coast' button on the side of the shift lever. As I understand it, if you momentarily wanted to bypass the regen and just coast, you could press the button. (Full disclosure: I never got a chance to drive a EV-1, but did see a number of them when they were roaming the earth here in Silicon Valley.)

 

The Volt is my wifes daily driver. Although I started test driving them when the Gen 1 Volt was around, I decided to wait for the Gen 2 to come out. Bought one of the first 2016s to hit Silicon Valley. We made it all the way up to #8 in the voltstats Hall of Fame (https://www.voltstats.net/Stats/Achievements). But she now has a 60+ mile r/t commute and lost the ability to charge at work last summer. It is now using a bit of gas every weekday. So our stats have dropped back to #10.

 

I feel your pain! We also charged at both home and work. STILL never used a public charger though!

It would kill me every time the ICE started up! With 48 miles of pure EV range we had to watch the numbers and plan our days much more closely (or use a different vehicle).

 

And for some of us, there's the extra time to drive to a gas station that may be not on our daily commute to work, for example. In my case, it's an extra 10 minutes to get to a gas station that's not on my way to work, so add that into the 5-10 minutes to gas up (including the minute or two to get out of the car and put your credit card in and wait for authorization). So this 5 minutes per fill-up is not true for me -- it's more like 15-20 minutes minimum time each time I fill up on gas, and that adds up over a year if you do it once a week (twice a week for me cuz I fill up my wife's car too for her -- though my E-Hybrid can go 5-6 weeks without filling up when only doing local commuting with it, and that part I really like).

So this part of "filling up" EVs at home is really missed by the automakers and the media, I think -- the huge amount of time saved, which to me is priceless, as is the removed pain of having to actually go to gas stations (especially in the cold of winter), stepping in gasoline at the pump, spilling gas accidentally around the gas filler opening in your car (even a few drops is bad and requires cleaning -- so add another minute of my time often for cleaning up spilled splotches of gas after fill-up).

 

Nah. Just as many people liked the brakes, if not more so from what I saw. It's not one sided that way in my experience. Nonetheless, I'm aware some felt that way, indeed. From what I could see: It usually/probably had to do with the same "defective" pre-production loaners being passed around like a joint. One, or some had glitchy screens or Hands Off Software/understanding ("Hey Porsche"), one/others had poorer Brake Blend, etc. It also had do with the reviewer, as some rode in the same suspect vehicle and noticed/said nothing.

Nonetheless (especially if that's what's affecting the range), I agree Porsche will add One Pedal Driving, or at least give that option for several reasons.

In addition: I agree, engine braking can be used even on ICE cars where applicable (to slow down obviously, instead of stopping). They're some Slush Box vehicles with such aggressive gearing that even in "normal" mode, it which slows your car down immediately as soon as you lift your foot of the accelerator pedal. Some would like that for sure. However, some wouldn't (though you can dial back the mode to ECO, etc.). So, why not place it on the Taycan if so many request. It'll be interesting to see if Porsche doesn't give a damn, like they did for years with their awful version of paddle shifters, or will they see the light when they went the way of the rest of the world with Proper Paddles!? LOL

 

I would be willing to bet that most of the people who LIKED the that the Taycan required physical braking for regen were not current EV owners.

...and conversely...

Most current EV owners would prefer pedal-lift regen (without requiring brake use).

 

Yeah/Good Points; observation.

However, My response had to do specifically with the brake blend feel. Some reviewers said, they could detect it, could do with out. And others said: They didn't notice it at all, and the brakes felt totally natural like an ICE vehicle.

Of course, your answer could be related to this. So, my apologies if it was, I misunderstood.

 

I suspect that the reason behind the regen setup is that both of the Taycan motors are tuned for performance. That means they are more efficient at higher torque (like the i3 here: https://rennlist.com/forums/taycan-a...l#post16287965 and unlike the Bolt motor here: https://rennlist.com/forums/taycan-a...l#post16287847)

The Bolt motor has its highest efficiency point at about 25% of the maximum torque while the I3 has it at maximum torque. Now the EPA tests and normal driving requires little torque. This explains why Taycan's EPA range is low and consumption is high. But the high efficiency at high torque helps keeping the motor's temperature down when driving spirited and results in maximum performance.

And this is why the Taycan guy said a stronger regen wouldn't be more efficient. A stronger - non braking - regen would still be in the inefficient area of the motor, but when pressing the brakes (higher deceleration) the torque climbs up to the better efficiency area. A Bolt motor however can regen efficiently in normal - non braking - deceleration.

 

Not sure if this has been posted but I found it interesting for those of you who speak German

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...sung-ams-test/

 

Hey look, this is something we agreed on!!

Most of the current EV drivers have been re-educated to using one pedal driving, so that's sort fo something they look for. But they are still a very minority of the total driving population.

Other normal people that's been driving normal cars for eons are used to only using the brakes for braking, and expect the car to coast when lifting off, not slowing down suddenly.

In order for EV to really make realistic gains towards bigger market share, making a EV as normal as possible is the key, so there is no relearning period.

 

it takes like 10 minutes - its not that big a deal - then 1 pedal driving makes sense.

 

The only difference is instead of pushing on two pedals, you push and lift on one. How difficult can it be?