Taycan Turbo - EPA rated 201 miles
02-02-2020, 03:24 PM
#856
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pure and simple -my fuel tank is enough bigger that my crappy efficiency doesn't matter for total distance I can drive - grasping at straws - and we're comparing a $48,000 to a base $150,000 car - and claiming the 3x more expensive car that went the shorter distance is "winning"…yeah totally 100% conclusive - the Taycan is soooooo much better.
02-02-2020, 03:37 PM
#857
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give up the range issue people - Tesla has won that one - the Taycan is better in _EVERY_ other dimension than any other EV!!! It's even better than Tesla in charging ability (not charger availability but I'll spot it the time to fix that) - but in the range/efficiency metric the Taycan has quite the gap to close - that's ok - cause in every other metric it's better - play to your strengths - and I know which car I'd rather drive - but Porsche has some work to do to be less awful on the range/efficiency front.
I'm confident they'll get it in the .2
I'm confident they'll get it in the .2
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02-02-2020, 03:37 PM
#858
Burning Brakes
What you missed is reading my post. I'm however not surprised about that.
Outside temperature is 44F. Taycan Turbo can likely reach its EPA rated range at 75F at this speed.
02-02-2020, 04:00 PM
#859
pure and simple -my fuel tank is enough bigger that my crappy efficiency doesn't matter for total distance I can drive - grasping at straws - and we're comparing a $48,000 to a base $150,000 car - and claiming the 3x more expensive car that went the shorter distance is "winning"…yeah totally 100% conclusive - the Taycan is soooooo much better.
... said no one ever.
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02-02-2020, 04:18 PM
#860
Burning Brakes
According to these results Taycan's drive train is more efficient than Model 3's above ~80mph. Net battery capacity is about 15% higher but the road load is also higher for the Taycan. By 30% at 65mph. It is unlikely that this difference would shrink below 15% at 93mph.
02-02-2020, 05:18 PM
#861
Nope, didn't miss anything. I was responding to AlexCeres. Not sure what you're babbling about. It had nothing to do with whether the Taycan will meet the EPA range.
02-02-2020, 05:34 PM
#862
what is the efficiency - total range doesn't mater - the Model 3 has only a 75 kWh battery - and the Taycan has a 93 kWh battery - this is a pointless comparision with out wh/mile or miles/kWh
what is the overall efficiency in terms of energy consumed.
this is likely saying my Ford F150 pickup with a 40 gallon gas tank can go 480 miles vs. a Prius with an 8 gallon gas tank can only go 320 miles.
Model 3 @ 93 mph goes 332 km with ~72 kWh of energy or 4.6 km/kWh
Taycan @ 93 mph goes 314 km with ~84.3 kWh of energy or 3.7 km/kwh
so the Taycan is better than the Model 3 because the Model 3 is 25% more efficient than the Taycan at the same speed?
math says different - and so do the numbers.
the Taycan only went further than the Model cause it has a bigger gas tank
at the same kWh (72 kWh) the Taycan would've only gone 266 km at the same speed and energy budget.
this is a laughably stupid metric - my car goes further because it has a bigger gas tank is the height of stupidity as a comparison.
what is the overall efficiency in terms of energy consumed.
this is likely saying my Ford F150 pickup with a 40 gallon gas tank can go 480 miles vs. a Prius with an 8 gallon gas tank can only go 320 miles.
Model 3 @ 93 mph goes 332 km with ~72 kWh of energy or 4.6 km/kWh
Taycan @ 93 mph goes 314 km with ~84.3 kWh of energy or 3.7 km/kwh
so the Taycan is better than the Model 3 because the Model 3 is 25% more efficient than the Taycan at the same speed?
math says different - and so do the numbers.
the Taycan only went further than the Model cause it has a bigger gas tank
at the same kWh (72 kWh) the Taycan would've only gone 266 km at the same speed and energy budget.
this is a laughably stupid metric - my car goes further because it has a bigger gas tank is the height of stupidity as a comparison.
Model 3 RWD LR: ~1801kg
Taycan Turbo: 2380kg(over ~579kg)
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02-02-2020, 05:59 PM
#863
Burning Brakes
02-02-2020, 06:03 PM
#864
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and the current Model S P100D will go how far @ 93 mph? a more apples to apples comparison...
02-02-2020, 11:40 PM
#865
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@AlexCeres well in that case the Model 3 won -it went further than the Taycan - at 93 mph the Model 3 will go further than the Taycan - worse case they are equal - and one car cost about 1/3 of the other…
and people are not quite that stupid - they understand the reason they can drive their F150 350 miles is only because of it's huge fuel tank vs. a Toyota that has a much smaller tank can go the same distance…
the range difference isn't definitive - but the costs to purchase, and cost to fuel the two cars is vastly different - people aren't quite as silly as that - but close.
and people are not quite that stupid - they understand the reason they can drive their F150 350 miles is only because of it's huge fuel tank vs. a Toyota that has a much smaller tank can go the same distance…
the range difference isn't definitive - but the costs to purchase, and cost to fuel the two cars is vastly different - people aren't quite as silly as that - but close.
02-02-2020, 11:45 PM
#866
The test is ludicrous, with the results only applicable on unlimited stretches of Autobahn, and so irrelevant for 95% of the driving done by 99% of the potential owners.
Run the test in typical conditions (varying speeds, including some city/stop and go driving) and it would be even clearer that the Taycan is >35% less efficient (range per battery capacity) than comparable EVs.
If it were also >35% faster, or had a >35% greater top speed, or >35% greater cornering ability, or >35% more load or luggage capacity, that would be one thing, but it's not close on any of those measures.
Still a cool car, but a woefully inefficient EV.