Veloce Raptor

I'm sorry...but the first pass was awesome. Isn't that the point of racing? To pass the driver ahead w/o contact or chopping? I saw neither.

Had he lost control over the pass & hit the inside Armco, oh well, his car is totaled. No one to blame but himself. But he didn't.

The second was a ****up for sure.

hf1

The only reason contact was avoided is that the passed car saw him, hit the brakes, and steered away to avoid him. I don't think the point of racing is to simply do whatever you want ("Watch me, here I come!") and expect that everyone will just be moving out of your way to avoid contact. Just IMO, of course.

mglobe

I disagree Dave. I see the same passing attempt twice. The first time the Cayman got lucky both in terms of what the camera car did, and how it turned out. The second time, his luck ran out.

BostonDMD

Yeap......

Veloce Raptor

Disagree. First of all, it was a braking zone, so of course he was on the brakes. Second, yes, he saw him...and gave him room. And the Cayman took a much shallower entry and used a lot more curb.

Would I attempt that move there? Doubtful. But it was an awesome pass.

The second one was similar but not the same...and the Cayman also out braked himself. IMO he should have taken his first success as a one off and let it be at that in the Bus Stop.

Frank 993 C4S

Scott,

So sorry this happened to you.

+1 as the first pass by this dive bomber would have told me to be careful even though the pass was clean. The fact that he did not get a 13 when he hit you from behind is ridiculous. How else is he going to learn that he put himself and you in an impossible situation?

I had a similar experience with another car in both races (same run group) and I simply ended up taking a defensive line and then let him pass. I still finished ahead of him as he ended up spinning in the first race and took himself and somebody else out in the second race.

Overall, I was impressed with the skill level in our run group, but then there were also some exceptions with people clearly over their head.

hf1

First, he braked harder and steered differently than he would have had the Cayman not dived into the turn. Braking zones and steering zones are not excepted from the track rules (to the extent that said rules exist, that is). Second, the camera car gave him room in order to avoid being hit by him! Had he NOT given him the room that would have led to an inevitable contact and 100% fault would have been apportioned to the Cayman -- which is exactly what happened in the second video.

Honestly, and it may be just me, but I would pass on participating in a race series which would not only not condemn the first pass but encourage it by calling it "awesome".

We'll just have to agree to disagree, I guess. No biggie.

fstockcarrera

From what i see they were not giving out many 13s at this event. That is a 13, No question.

Jimbo951

Disagree.

In the first video, from 0:00 to 0:08 the rear car is behind. At 0:08 the lead car hits the turn in point (designated by extra wide paint on the left edge of the track). At the turn in point, the rear car is visible in the rear view mirror and appears to be behind.

The pass doesn't even start until the front car begins his turn-in.

The only way the pass was completed was by putting all 4 wheels over the first set of extended rubble strips. Then the left wheels in the dirt of the 2nd rumble strip, then blowing the line through the 2nd half of the chicane.

As others noted, the only reason the cars didn't hit was because the lead car changed his line to avoid contact.

Awesome - No.
Responsible - No.
Acceptable in amateur club racing - No
Legal - I guess so.

winders

Sorry Dave, that first pass was not awesome. It was irresponsible. The only reason there was not a wreck is because the driver being passed refrained from turning in as much as he otherwise was entitled to do. This is a classic dive bomb pass that was just way to optimistic.

Scott

Veloce Raptor

Oh, please. Yes, the driver being passed gave racing room. This happens all the time...because he could clearly see that the overtaking driver had a big run on him. I have been passed like that, there, more than once by much higher speed cars, and it sure did not bother me.

Would I do it? As I said, not bloody likely. Would I tell a client to do it? Also unlikely. But the fact that the pass was made, with racing room given by both, speaks for itself. No, it was not pretty. Yes, the margin for error was inches. But both cars took different lines and coexisted in there just fine IMO.

The second attempt, as I said, began slightly differently, as the overtaking driver waitted way too long to brake & did not have quite the run on the car being passed. Classic f-up. And the results speak for themselves.

HF1, I do not speak for the "series" so don't get all drama-queen here. I gave my opinion, as did others. NONE of us "speak for the series". And I by no means encouraged it. Nevertheless, I still think it was awesome.

Yeah, we will all have to agree to disagree.

ZSA Motorsport

dude, i liked your driving. very nice. i think you did nothing wrong on that pass other than take a chance and come across someone without a side mirror who either didnt see you or didnt have regard for your presence, either way it was a chance you took and thats part of racing, nice job.

and not to be a safety prude, but if i could make one suggestion. dont do the whole disrobing, taking off helmet, ear pieces, balaclava, etc. while you're going down pit lane, into the cold pits and paddock where there tons of people, golf carts, safety volunteers etc. just hang tight 90seconds more till you get to your trailer/gargae, then do it. too distracting.

gums

I saw that, and was a bit shocked at first, especially the late dive into pit. All I can figure is that he didn't think the black was for him, until realizing it was a multi-car incident.

This is a good point, and should be well taken. I have found the PCA stewards to be very reasonable people when it comes to decision making, particularly Brian Henderson who carefully considered a case I once made when called in.

Having now watched the GoodHands incident, and thank you for sharing, I have to input that this is pure divebomb crap, and to think that he wasn't 13'd just pisses me off. We're Club Racing, for crying out loud, and I WANT the regulations to prevent **** like that, because it could end my program entirely, not just my race. That was just a low percentage move that he got lucky with the first time and obviously didn't learn anything from. If he doesn't get a 13, who does? Might as well forget the rule. I'd have gone to the stewards with my video and insisted that he gets it. Glad that many of you share my thoughts.

danielyonker

I had to watch the video after reading all this commotion.

First pass downright reckless. Dude must have thought he was superman after that, hence the second attempt.

Second pass, even more reckless and he didn't get away with it. I'm surprised camera car didn't leave more room based on first pass (even though he shouldn't have too).

If the passing car who rear ended camera car didn't get a 13/13 we should all revolt and go to NASA/SCCA. That makes me sick based on a racing incident for which I got a 13/13......this was no racing incident. Camera car must be sick as well.

VR, ...was the dude in the Cayman your client, LMAO

Gary R.

I'm with you Frank. The first pass was, to me, ill advised at best and he should have learned from it. I admit to taking "similar" passes there but not as late or entering as shallow as this car, which totally screws the mid corner-exit of bus stop, which kills your speed advantage (if you don't spin/wreck).The second "pass" was just plain irresponsible and i'm sure Scott is thrilled with the repair bill he has coming.. or maybe the Cayman offered to pay, IDK.