Mishaps, I still don't get it.
06-04-2013, 07:15 PM
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I've been passing cars, sometimes several at a time, in Turn 5 since before the Bus Stop. A LOT of cars...
Mike, the only thing you did wrong was "hang" there and not have an out.
Get it done or don't put yourself in that position.
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06-04-2013, 07:33 PM
#78
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if that is the case, please let me know what races you will attend so I will stay far away from you.......
Not seeing someone while racing is, in my opinion, utterly inexcusable.....
06-04-2013, 08:12 PM
#79
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There will be blind spots. Not seeing someone and being blind to someone are two different things.
I totally drive by winders' description of overlap. That's how Club Racing should be.
And I think both of these guys deserved 13's.
I totally drive by winders' description of overlap. That's how Club Racing should be.
And I think both of these guys deserved 13's.
06-04-2013, 08:19 PM
#80
All I said was that tunnel vision is common in activities such as going fast around a race track. That doesn't mean I suffer from it or that all racers suffer from it.
Let's say all people have a $1 to spend on all activities they perform in a race car. Not everyone spends their dollar in the same way and some get into situations where all of their dollar is spent before they have a chance to notice where everyone around them is. There is where tunnel vision comes into play.
Experienced racers tend to have more of their dollar in reserve than new racers. But some long time racers have less in reserve than others. The situations where a lot is going on, that tend to cause some racers to run out of money, don't cause other racers to exceed their budget. Racers get in over their heads sometimes, and situational awareness suffers. How much depends on the racer.
You can make grandiose statements like "Not seeing someone while racing is, in my opinion, utterly inexcusable.....", but the reality is the real world does not work that way. Maybe you think you are perfect, but you are not.
Scott
06-04-2013, 08:29 PM
#81
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Van I could swear that somewhere along the line I read that the point at which PCA determines who has the corner is at turn in. If there is an incident the car with even so much as a bumper in front at that point would be initially seen as the "victim." Now there are always a host of other circumstances but I believe that's where PCA starts the process and I could swear it's in the rules someplace. Maybe it's in some sort of rookie literature?
FWIW, I have a four panel mirror and both side views. I can see more out of the four panel than the side view on the passenger side.
06-04-2013, 08:55 PM
#83
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Ah....you are the in the camp that makes judgments without facts!
All I said was that tunnel vision is common in activities such as going fast around a race track. That doesn't mean I suffer from it or that all racers suffer from it.
Let's say all people have a $1 to spend on all activities they perform in a race car. Not everyone spends their dollar in the same way and some get into situations where all of their dollar is spent before they have a chance to notice where everyone around them is. There is where tunnel vision comes into play.
Experienced racers tend to have more of their dollar in reserve than new racers. But some long time racers have less in reserve than others. The situations where a lot is going on, that tend to cause some racers to run out of money, don't cause other racers to exceed their budget. Racers get in over their heads sometimes, and situational awareness suffers. How much depends on the racer.
You can make grandiose statements like "Not seeing someone while racing is, in my opinion, utterly inexcusable.....", but the reality is the real world does not work that way. Maybe you think you are perfect, but you are not.
Scott
All I said was that tunnel vision is common in activities such as going fast around a race track. That doesn't mean I suffer from it or that all racers suffer from it.
Let's say all people have a $1 to spend on all activities they perform in a race car. Not everyone spends their dollar in the same way and some get into situations where all of their dollar is spent before they have a chance to notice where everyone around them is. There is where tunnel vision comes into play.
Experienced racers tend to have more of their dollar in reserve than new racers. But some long time racers have less in reserve than others. The situations where a lot is going on, that tend to cause some racers to run out of money, don't cause other racers to exceed their budget. Racers get in over their heads sometimes, and situational awareness suffers. How much depends on the racer.
You can make grandiose statements like "Not seeing someone while racing is, in my opinion, utterly inexcusable.....", but the reality is the real world does not work that way. Maybe you think you are perfect, but you are not.
Scott
1. with tunnel vision
2. who are blind
3. who have no track awareness
4. who appear long winded and judgmental on a racing forum
People here on RL know my history, I am far, far, far from perfect......
You on the other hand have no history, but have elected youself to be the ultimate judge......
Have a great life.......
P.S. I apologize to the Gums and Stach for my posts in this thread if they have by anyway offended you......
06-04-2013, 09:18 PM
#84
I don't think any of us want to race with people that are 1, 2, or 3. The simple fact is that sometimes some racers lose situational awareness because too much is happening for them. It happens in F1....I don't see why you wouldn't expect to see it at the club racing level.
Scott
06-04-2013, 09:21 PM
#85
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06-04-2013, 09:21 PM
#86
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I am not commenting on the video nor who did what or who should or should not have gotten a 13. But this picture always cracks me up!
Last edited by Veloce Raptor; 12-04-2013 at 10:39 AM.
06-04-2013, 09:31 PM
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06-04-2013, 09:38 PM
#90
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Yep. As others have mentioned, the rules on overtaking and 13's need to be more clearly defined in the PCA rules. Publishing commentary in the racing news is not enough in my opinion.