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Robert Kubica
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Vitaly Petrov
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Adrian Sutil
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Viantonio Liuzzi
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Sebastien Buemi
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Jamie Alguersuari
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Heikki Kovalainen
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Karun Chandhok
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Bruno Senna
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Pedro de la Rosa
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Kamui Kobayashi
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Timo Glock
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Lucas di Grassi
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2010 Singapore Grand Prix
09-27-2010, 05:23 PM
#151
I'm sure everyone on pitlane could see this hence Jensen Button pushing like mad to put pressure on Webber. IF Button could get Webber to go faster than he wanted and popped that tire, he would have done the team proud on knocking out the WDC leader when he knocked out his teammate.
09-27-2010, 05:24 PM
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09-27-2010, 05:55 PM
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Success begets confidence, and vice versa. Alonso appeared to be using more of the track than competitors, often coming within inches of walls. Not sure if he had to work the car harder to stay in front or was just more in the zone than others but it's nice to see him getting his groove back. And Webber kept the pressure on. Vettel and Hamilton continue to wilt - be interesting to see if they can turn it around last few races. Still an open championship.
And can somebody please tell me what planet Schumacher was driving on? Jeez. Take the seven titles and multi-millions and go play in sports cars and babysit over-the-hill wannabes like us for Mercedes.
And can somebody please tell me what planet Schumacher was driving on? Jeez. Take the seven titles and multi-millions and go play in sports cars and babysit over-the-hill wannabes like us for Mercedes.
The Ferrari is not in the same league as the RB nor the Mclaren , Alonso is pedaling for all he is worth ....
Looking at the video, it appears to me that Hamilton's car was damaged more by bounding over the curbing than by the actual collision with Webber. Certainly a racing incident based upon the two protagonists. Hamilton just seems to put himself in that vulnerable position more than others, and Webber will run people that try to pinch him off. Maybe that's why Webber got past Schumacher so easily. 
Webber is Coulthard in blue when it comes to passing ...Hamilton's comments afterwords was even more telling ....
Alonso had more pace than Seb all race and could respond to any move he made without issues......
Funny how the amigos still find it hard to give Alonso his due ....
Alonso is the best driver in F1 and has been so since 2005, nothing to do with Ferrari. Ferrari now has a driver that knows where to find the goal post . Funny when Alonso was 90 + points behind , he said we can win this! we will not give , we will push..
Hamilton on the other hand , said yesterday , after his little bobble, forget the championship! !!!!!!!
Move of the Race :
Kobyashi giving Schumacher a Schumacher , then Satoing the guard rail
Next:
Ahhh Japan should be another Red Bull track, Yes sir, but they have no Alonso and it's very obvious Ferrari is very happy, Yes Sir .... Very happy ...In the past they have won when they had the best car on the track, not so this year ...........
Is that Damon Hill behind Alonso .....
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09-27-2010, 06:19 PM
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09-27-2010, 06:56 PM
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Alonso hasn't done anything so special. Ferrari is giving him their full attention and Massa's car gets parts from the F2009 parts bin. How is Massa always having the technical and mechanical issues and not Alonso?
At Spa, Alonso spun out and crashed on his own. DNF
At Monza, he was running 2nd until his crew got him out of the pits faster and he won that way.
At Singapore he had the fastest car and won from pole. Where is the "special" in the past 3 races? To say the Ferrari is the third fastest car on grid is just silly and you don't know F1. The F10 of Alonso is as fast or faster than either Red Bull. Massa's car is as fast as Kimi's car last year. 'Nuff said.
At Spa, Alonso spun out and crashed on his own. DNF
At Monza, he was running 2nd until his crew got him out of the pits faster and he won that way.
At Singapore he had the fastest car and won from pole. Where is the "special" in the past 3 races? To say the Ferrari is the third fastest car on grid is just silly and you don't know F1. The F10 of Alonso is as fast or faster than either Red Bull. Massa's car is as fast as Kimi's car last year. 'Nuff said.
09-27-2010, 06:58 PM
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It's going to be interesting to see the "spin" applied to the 2010 F1 season if Alonso wins the WDC by the difference between 1st and 2nd place courtesy of the "what team orders?" race earlier in the season.
09-27-2010, 07:07 PM
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I'm going to let the post-to-post combat over Alonso be fought out without interfering. The only things I have to add are these:
1. Hamilton is not the kind of driver that does well dealing with an excess amount of pressure. Super talented and quick, but as soon as things start going wrong, he flips out, and in some of those times when things aren't going well, it's been obvious that he makes on track mistakes. It doesn't surprise me that he thinks it's all over. I don't think it is (consider if in Japan Alonso and Webber take each other out, Vettel stalls in the pits, and Massa finishes no higher than second), but he also might be subtley referring to the fact that the Evil Empire has stalled in their development process. It also takes the pressure off him because he's trying to make it all upside for himself.
2. Ferrari have REALLY closed the gap and it's surprised me so much, I decided to read up and research as much as I could (yes I'm a geek, bite me
). The combination of getting the Fduct system to work, the overrun mapping for the exhaust, developments to maximize its effect using different diffusers, and new front wings have brought the F10 from a slowly declining dog to possibly being on par with RB. I've even heard rumors about a legal traction control system, but have nothing to confirm or deny that rumore. That said, I still wouldn't count Newey out of the picture - he's too good at what he does, but it does appear that Team Jersey Shore has pulled together as a cohesive unit. Alonso for his part has been nothing but supportive off the track, but made some mistakes on it. If he wins the championship, we can look at the fact that his support and need to try and improve his own driving as well as the car went a long way. If he doesn't, we can point to the number of points he left on the table and relish the fact that I think that if the team and his own performance next year are like the second part of this year, they could be a real threat.
1. Hamilton is not the kind of driver that does well dealing with an excess amount of pressure. Super talented and quick, but as soon as things start going wrong, he flips out, and in some of those times when things aren't going well, it's been obvious that he makes on track mistakes. It doesn't surprise me that he thinks it's all over. I don't think it is (consider if in Japan Alonso and Webber take each other out, Vettel stalls in the pits, and Massa finishes no higher than second), but he also might be subtley referring to the fact that the Evil Empire has stalled in their development process. It also takes the pressure off him because he's trying to make it all upside for himself.
2. Ferrari have REALLY closed the gap and it's surprised me so much, I decided to read up and research as much as I could (yes I'm a geek, bite me
). The combination of getting the Fduct system to work, the overrun mapping for the exhaust, developments to maximize its effect using different diffusers, and new front wings have brought the F10 from a slowly declining dog to possibly being on par with RB. I've even heard rumors about a legal traction control system, but have nothing to confirm or deny that rumore. That said, I still wouldn't count Newey out of the picture - he's too good at what he does, but it does appear that Team Jersey Shore has pulled together as a cohesive unit. Alonso for his part has been nothing but supportive off the track, but made some mistakes on it. If he wins the championship, we can look at the fact that his support and need to try and improve his own driving as well as the car went a long way. If he doesn't, we can point to the number of points he left on the table and relish the fact that I think that if the team and his own performance next year are like the second part of this year, they could be a real threat.
09-27-2010, 07:28 PM
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I'm loving this. ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the things Spinster Wayne has said about MS is coming back to haunt him now with Alonso. The MOVEOVER orders, the #1 driver status within the team, custom parts make for his car, Alonso's lack of Mechanical Issues vs. his teammate, the teammate getting old pieces from the parts bin for Massa, everything.... yes everything to be considered a TRUE FAUX CHAMPION!!!
09-27-2010, 07:45 PM
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It is what it is, some people will never accept his excellence, while other's will.
09-27-2010, 07:46 PM
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Tell that to the Finn. Ferrari and The Tifosi loved Schumacher, Kimi and Alonso. It didn't matter what flag they waved.
It's perfectly fine to pull for your countrymen, but putting down others when your driver (Kimi) was displayed by that team shows something about a mans character. I'm done with this subject.
It's perfectly fine to pull for your countrymen, but putting down others when your driver (Kimi) was displayed by that team shows something about a mans character. I'm done with this subject.
P.S. I don't think Tifosi never really loved their drivers that much, 1st and foremost, they love Ferrari.
I still remember when Alboreto (IIRC correctly, in Lotus) DNFd from the 1st place in Monza, giving the lead to a Ferrari (driven by non-Italian) and crowd going crazy and cheering!
09-27-2010, 08:49 PM
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Vettel made it very clear in the post race interview that they wanted to run more laps then the Ferrari, and do exactly what Larry suggested. But his tires where done, and he was struggling to keep up the pace. Vettel had to pit or risk a larger gap or even worse crash the car.
I think this shows just how dominant the Ferrari was in Singapore... but I highly doubt they will be able to repeat this in Japan. Any podium finish for Alonso or Massa in Japan would be impressive IMHO.
I think this shows just how dominant the Ferrari was in Singapore... but I highly doubt they will be able to repeat this in Japan. Any podium finish for Alonso or Massa in Japan would be impressive IMHO.
09-27-2010, 08:55 PM
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Not to beat a dead horse, again, but once RBR telegraphed Vettel's move to the pits and Alonso ducked into the pit lane, Vettel who was far enough behind could have stayed out for another lap. If that lap could have been faster than Alonso's out lap on the primes, he may have been able to pit and get out in front of Alonso, and based upon the first 5 corners after the pit exit being "un-passable", Vettel could have held him off until his tires came up to temp. It was his only chance.
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But you do bring up a valid point, it would have not made that much of a difference to at least try... perhaps they where happy with second, perhaps they didn't want to risk a crash due to worn out tires and pushin hard.
09-27-2010, 09:32 PM
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I'm loving this. ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the things Spinster Wayne has said about MS is coming back to haunt him now with Alonso. The MOVEOVER orders, the #1 driver status within the team, custom parts make for his car, Alonso's lack of Mechanical Issues vs. his teammate, the teammate getting old pieces from the parts bin for Massa, everything.... yes everything to be considered a TRUE FAUX CHAMPION!!!
09-27-2010, 09:38 PM
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It would be absolutely ironic if his engine went "kablamo" at Suzuka and he lost the WDC, just as he won the WDC at Suzuka when Schumachers engine failed.
As for the Ferrari performance, I would thank Santander for allowing Luca to write Mr. Fry a nice paycheck.
09-27-2010, 10:54 PM
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Not to beat a dead horse, again, but once RBR telegraphed Vettel's move to the pits and Alonso ducked into the pit lane, Vettel who was far enough behind could have stayed out for another lap. If that lap could have been faster than Alonso's out lap on the primes, he may have been able to pit and get out in front of Alonso, and based upon the first 5 corners after the pit exit being "un-passable", Vettel could have held him off until his tires came up to temp. It was his only chance.
Am I done explaining now?
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I'm going to let the post-to-post combat over Alonso be fought out without interfering. The only things I have to add are these:
1. Hamilton is not the kind of driver that does well dealing with an excess amount of pressure. Super talented and quick, but as soon as things start going wrong, he flips out, and in some of those times when things aren't going well, it's been obvious that he makes on track mistakes. It doesn't surprise me that he thinks it's all over. I don't think it is (consider if in Japan Alonso and Webber take each other out, Vettel stalls in the pits, and Massa finishes no higher than second), but he also might be subtley referring to the fact that the Evil Empire has stalled in their development process. It also takes the pressure off him because he's trying to make it all upside for himself.
2. Ferrari have REALLY closed the gap and it's surprised me so much, I decided to read up and research as much as I could (yes I'm a geek, bite me). The combination of getting the Fduct system to work, the overrun mapping for the exhaust, developments to maximize its effect using different diffusers, and new front wings have brought the F10 from a slowly declining dog to possibly being on par with RB. I've even heard rumors about a legal traction control system, but have nothing to confirm or deny that rumore. That said, I still wouldn't count Newey out of the picture - he's too good at what he does, but it does appear that Team Jersey Shore has pulled together as a cohesive unit. Alonso for his part has been nothing but supportive off the track, but made some mistakes on it. If he wins the championship, we can look at the fact that his support and need to try and improve his own driving as well as the car went a long way. If he doesn't, we can point to the number of points he left on the table and relish the fact that I think that if the team and his own performance next year are like the second part of this year, they could be a real threat.
1. Hamilton is not the kind of driver that does well dealing with an excess amount of pressure. Super talented and quick, but as soon as things start going wrong, he flips out, and in some of those times when things aren't going well, it's been obvious that he makes on track mistakes. It doesn't surprise me that he thinks it's all over. I don't think it is (consider if in Japan Alonso and Webber take each other out, Vettel stalls in the pits, and Massa finishes no higher than second), but he also might be subtley referring to the fact that the Evil Empire has stalled in their development process. It also takes the pressure off him because he's trying to make it all upside for himself.
2. Ferrari have REALLY closed the gap and it's surprised me so much, I decided to read up and research as much as I could (yes I'm a geek, bite me
). The combination of getting the Fduct system to work, the overrun mapping for the exhaust, developments to maximize its effect using different diffusers, and new front wings have brought the F10 from a slowly declining dog to possibly being on par with RB. I've even heard rumors about a legal traction control system, but have nothing to confirm or deny that rumore. That said, I still wouldn't count Newey out of the picture - he's too good at what he does, but it does appear that Team Jersey Shore has pulled together as a cohesive unit. Alonso for his part has been nothing but supportive off the track, but made some mistakes on it. If he wins the championship, we can look at the fact that his support and need to try and improve his own driving as well as the car went a long way. If he doesn't, we can point to the number of points he left on the table and relish the fact that I think that if the team and his own performance next year are like the second part of this year, they could be a real threat.That aside they are the 3rd best chassis on the grid .. oppps ... pardon me, i see Massa has been giving it to Button ......
2005 Alonso destroys Faux 7, they started whining and have never stopped .
I don't think you understand what I was trying to say so please accept my apologies for hurting your feelings, that certainly wasn't my intention.
P.S. I don't think Tifosi never really loved their drivers that much, 1st and foremost, they love Ferrari.
I still remember when Alboreto (IIRC correctly, in Lotus) DNFd from the 1st place in Monza, giving the lead to a Ferrari (driven by non-Italian) and crowd going crazy and cheering!
P.S. I don't think Tifosi never really loved their drivers that much, 1st and foremost, they love Ferrari.
I still remember when Alboreto (IIRC correctly, in Lotus) DNFd from the 1st place in Monza, giving the lead to a Ferrari (driven by non-Italian) and crowd going crazy and cheering!
WTF... you have never apologized for hurting mine .....
... Bitch ... Alonso is due nothing, IMHO, given his recent exploits and lack of any responsibility.
It would be absolutely ironic if his engine went "kablamo" at Suzuka and he lost the WDC, just as he won the WDC at Suzuka when Schumachers engine failed.
As for the Ferrari performance, I would thank Santander for allowing Luca to write Mr. Fry a nice paycheck.
It would be absolutely ironic if his engine went "kablamo" at Suzuka and he lost the WDC, just as he won the WDC at Suzuka when Schumachers engine failed.
As for the Ferrari performance, I would thank Santander for allowing Luca to write Mr. Fry a nice paycheck.
Alonso wins from 24th grid spot ... blah .. blah .blah .. Ferrari .......