FredC

indeed.

Gary R.

(I'm extra hungry)

BostonDMD

Still waiting for an answer.......

Carrera51

I was at Sebring and having watched Fred C, Mark Hupfer, Doug Crossman, and Doug Roach duke it out was great! These guys are all great drivers. Watch the videos they post. I'll be watching Fred's video from NJMP over and over again before the race this year.

The big difference I could see between all of the above and most of the rest of the cars in their classes is where these guys would brake for turn 17 at Sebring. They were all going in way deeper than the other cars in their classes. To me that is driver skill and the size of their you know whats, along with perfectly set up cars.

good hands

I raced with a guy last year that ran an older 911 in both PCA and NASA. He was 2 seconds a lap faster when he drove PCA. Just sayin...

( it wasn't Streak he's always slow )

Brian P

*****? I think the one who is lacking ***** is the person who creates a new account (only 53 posts) and then claims that people are cheating. [edit: ok - the account has been around a while - that being said, if you are going to blindly accuse people of cheating, I think you should put up some facts of what you know]

As someone else posted, you are completely discounting the huge disparity in driver skill among the racers. Basically, within each class there are a handful of drivers who are amazing and can drive faster than most of the other drivers who are a class ahead of them. Fred is one of those drivers. The reason he was faster than all E class drivers is that the good E class drivers (Hupfer and Crossman) moved up to F.

Brian P

I feel like I'm missing something because that doesn't make sense at all. NASA basically has no rules other than the power-to-weight ratio classification. Are you saying that this guy put on some mod to cheat within PCA, and then took off the mod for NASA even though that mod would be completely legal in NASA?

Gary R.

I can see going the other way, faster in NASA, due to the weight and mods allowed but faster in PCA trim? Is it that PCA doesn't dyno and NASA does that you are getting at Scott? Unfortunately, just altering timing can lose you up to 10 HP on a low HP car so IMO Dyno's aren't the holy grail either.

good hands

When racing NASA he had to deal with the power to weight ratio. If you have a cheater motor ( not saying he does ) he would need to ballast up his car to make ratio. With PCA he just slides into stock class and takes out the ballast.
For instance, if I am running up against a guy with 210 at the wheels and I have 190. He has to add weight at NASA which evens things out considerably. With PCA we are running the same weight in the same class.

Veloce Raptor

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Sean F

As I said, I think this is really hard for someone on the sidelines to understand. You look at the results and think WTF? Unless you race with these guys it's hard to understand just how good they are and in almost every case how much closer to the edge they are than everybody else. Fred, Gary and I have identically set up cars - same specs on engine rebuild, same suspension, etc. Go back and look at Fred's times in races this past year versus mine and Gary's. That's how much better a driver he is - seconds, not tenths. To the non-believers, put him in your car and he'll best your time on any track by many seconds and you'll get some great data to boot.

Brian P

Ok, call me naive, but I just don't think there is much cheating going on in PCA. When I'm getting beaten in races, I can clearly see from the cornering speeds involved that I'm being beaten by a better driver.

Maybe it's time that Paolo starts a thread just on PCA cheating.

Gary R.

Better yet, try and follow his line sometime at speed... i.e through the bus stop at WGI like I did... wish I had that video but it was one wild ride! I was on his tail from T1 right to the BS exit, that's where we parted ways... and I started to breathe again.

cgomez

Fully agree. At least in the stock/prepared classes I see the same people in their regions winning over and over and putting the record laps (Fred, Poetl, etc). Its always the same group of front runners at the same races and cars are there to be looked over and scrut if anyone has any doubts. In most cases the race shop that prepared that car will be more than happy to take a new client and replicate that winning car. My suggestion is to either go race with the same winning equipment of state the facts and demand a thorough scrut of who you think is cheating.

Gary R.

Sean's and my car are capable of beating Fred's and anyone that is up to it can buy either one (well, not mine anymore) and go do it!