I am sad to say.......
02-15-2010, 09:26 PM
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Out of curiosity, who was in the "pack" when the 2 D cars stepped out and pulled away?
Dave & Paolo, The VIR record for G-class then D-class was around 2:18 for a while with the usual suspects. That became my target as I was developing my car and moving up the ranks. In 2008 at the Rumble, it dropped to 2:17 and change, so I figure no big deal - develop the car a little more and the driver a lot more and I can be close to the hunt. Then, at last years Rumble, it dropped to 2:14 and change. Two cars were running these times. Saw them come out of oak tree in a pack, step out of line and pull the field with 8-10 car lengths by the end of the back straight. To me, it is obvious what is going on. These guys are very good drivers, but not 4 seconds faster than the rest of the D- and E-class fields.
Not avoiding hot shoes - there are plenty in NASA MA GTS. I just want a distant hope of eventually being in the hunt. I do not see that happening until PCA fixes things.
Ted, Watch It! You have to sleep with me this weekend.
Not avoiding hot shoes - there are plenty in NASA MA GTS. I just want a distant hope of eventually being in the hunt. I do not see that happening until PCA fixes things.
Ted, Watch It! You have to sleep with me this weekend.
02-15-2010, 09:29 PM
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Dave & Paolo, The VIR record for G-class then D-class was around 2:18 for a while with the usual suspects. That became my target as I was developing my car and moving up the ranks. In 2008 at the Rumble, it dropped to 2:17 and change, so I figure no big deal - develop the car a little more and the driver a lot more and I can be close to the hunt. Then, at last years Rumble, it dropped to 2:14 and change. Two cars were running these times. Saw them come out of oak tree in a pack, step out of line and pull the field with 8-10 car lengths by the end of the back straight. To me, it is obvious what is going on. These guys are very good drivers, but not 4 seconds faster than the rest of the D- and E-class fields.
Not avoiding hot shoes - there are plenty in NASA MA GTS. I just want a distant hope of eventually being in the hunt. I do not see that happening until PCA fixes things.
Ted, Watch It! You have to sleep with me this weekend.
Not avoiding hot shoes - there are plenty in NASA MA GTS. I just want a distant hope of eventually being in the hunt. I do not see that happening until PCA fixes things.
Ted, Watch It! You have to sleep with me this weekend.
02-15-2010, 09:32 PM
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Dave & Paolo, The VIR record for G-class then D-class was around 2:18 for a while with the usual suspects. That became my target as I was developing my car and moving up the ranks. In 2008 at the Rumble, it dropped to 2:17 and change, so I figure no big deal - develop the car a little more and the driver a lot more and I can be close to the hunt. Then, at last years Rumble, it dropped to 2:14 and change. Two cars were running these times. Saw them come out of oak tree in a pack, step out of line and pull the field with 8-10 car lengths by the end of the back straight. To me, it is obvious what is going on. These guys are very good drivers, but not 4 seconds faster than the rest of the D- and E-class fields.
Not avoiding hot shoes - there are plenty in NASA MA GTS. I just want a distant hope of eventually being in the hunt. I do not see that happening until PCA fixes things.
Ted, Watch It! You have to sleep with me this weekend.
Not avoiding hot shoes - there are plenty in NASA MA GTS. I just want a distant hope of eventually being in the hunt. I do not see that happening until PCA fixes things.
Ted, Watch It! You have to sleep with me this weekend.
I have had the same thought cross my mind once about a car in my class, so I understand completely,
but I don't let that discourage me as it only pushes me to try harder and become a better driver..........
What I don't understand is you and Ted sleeping together over the week-end.......
02-15-2010, 09:35 PM
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In response to Fred's Q: The other top-running D-class car and two top-running E-class cars. Gary Small (E), Hunter Allen (E), and Scott Giannou (D) IIRC, mixed up with a SPBox or two and a 914 GT-looking car. I've gotten the same question before. These guys have been driving VIR full for a while. You don't find four seconds all of the sudden. I remember gains like that over the course of a weekend in the lower run groups of DE.
Paolo, I'm his track wife, he's my Bi!ch. Just a joke...but we do normally share a room.
Paolo, I'm his track wife, he's my Bi!ch. Just a joke...but we do normally share a room.
02-15-2010, 09:41 PM
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Dave & Paolo, The VIR record for G-class then D-class was around 2:18 for a while with the usual suspects. That became my target as I was developing my car and moving up the ranks. In 2008 at the Rumble, it dropped to 2:17 and change, so I figure no big deal - develop the car a little more and the driver a lot more and I can be close to the hunt. Then, at last years Rumble, it dropped to 2:14 and change. Two cars were running these times. Saw them come out of oak tree in a pack, step out of line and pull the field with 8-10 car lengths by the end of the back straight. To me, it is obvious what is going on. These guys are very good drivers, but not 4 seconds faster than the rest of the D- and E-class fields.
Not avoiding hot shoes - there are plenty in NASA MA GTS. I just want a distant hope of eventually being in the hunt. I do not see that happening until PCA fixes things.
Ted, Watch It! You have to sleep with me this weekend.
Not avoiding hot shoes - there are plenty in NASA MA GTS. I just want a distant hope of eventually being in the hunt. I do not see that happening until PCA fixes things.
Ted, Watch It! You have to sleep with me this weekend.
Also the Stock rules are very precise and easy to follow.
While NASA GTS..... IMO, it is "Formula Libre". The HP / weight control leaves everything else up fro grabs, and if people think/feel/believe they have a better chance there is b/c either the drivers are not that good or most likely nobody is building yet the cars to the limit of rules. There's endless possibilities with suspension geometry and Aero work. Just wait and you will see a few "Dallara"- Porsche/BMWs start to appear...
02-15-2010, 09:46 PM
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In response to Fred's Q: The other top-running D-class car and two top-running E-class cars. Gary Small (E), Hunter Allen (E), and Scott Giannou (D) IIRC, mixed up with a SPBox or two and a 914 GT-looking car. I've gotten the same question before. These guys have been driving VIR full for a while. You don't find four seconds all of the sudden. I remember gains like that over the course of a weekend in the lower run groups of DE.
Paolo, I'm his track wife, he's my Bi!ch. Just a joke...but we do normally share a room.
Paolo, I'm his track wife, he's my Bi!ch. Just a joke...but we do normally share a room.
02-15-2010, 09:47 PM
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CGomez, What I am describing may well be an anomaly, but in D-class, there are no ECUs. If cheating is being done, it is being done with displacement, compression ratio, ported and flowed heads, valve size, cam grind, fuel distributor shimming, etc. It can also be done with a 7:31 R&P and costom gears. It would require an aggressive scrut with an intimate understanding of the 911SC engine, and the tools to test these things.
02-15-2010, 09:48 PM
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02-15-2010, 09:56 PM
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I see...
In response to Fred's Q: The other top-running D-class car and two top-running E-class cars. Gary Small (E), Hunter Allen (E), and Scott Giannou (D) IIRC, mixed up with a SPBox or two and a 914 GT-looking car. I've gotten the same question before. These guys have been driving VIR full for a while. You don't find four seconds all of the sudden. I remember gains like that over the course of a weekend in the lower run groups of DE.
Paolo, I'm his track wife, he's my Bi!ch. Just a joke...but we do normally share a room.
Paolo, I'm his track wife, he's my Bi!ch. Just a joke...but we do normally share a room.
02-15-2010, 09:56 PM
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Dave & Paolo, The VIR record for G-class then D-class was around 2:18 for a while with the usual suspects. That became my target as I was developing my car and moving up the ranks. In 2008 at the Rumble, it dropped to 2:17 and change, so I figure no big deal - develop the car a little more and the driver a lot more and I can be close to the hunt. Then, at last years Rumble, it dropped to 2:14 and change. Two cars were running these times. Saw them come out of oak tree in a pack, step out of line and pull the field with 8-10 car lengths by the end of the back straight. To me, it is obvious what is going on. These guys are very good drivers, but not 4 seconds faster than the rest of the D- and E-class fields.
Not avoiding hot shoes - there are plenty in NASA MA GTS. I just want a distant hope of eventually being in the hunt. I do not see that happening until PCA fixes things.
Not avoiding hot shoes - there are plenty in NASA MA GTS. I just want a distant hope of eventually being in the hunt. I do not see that happening until PCA fixes things.
I can fully understand Pat Long or Leh Keen tearing up any track in "D" class for example. But a "good" amateur racer setting lap records and being considerably faster than "good" amateurs in classes 2 or 3 above his car? I don't buy it. There is a reason that pca has specific formulas for its various classes. The "D" car should not be faster than the "E", "F", or "G" car given the same driver, but it is happening more and more.
PCA needs to put an end to the debauchery amongst its ranks. Two of my friends are leaving PCA after the shenanigans at Sebring.
02-15-2010, 10:14 PM
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