Why Do Some Racers Find It Important to Put Down DE
12-05-2008, 03:08 PM
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Apparently some racers put down DE-ers out of frigging ignorance and arrogance. I'm reading the dumbest crap ever in this thread. Like (1) racing costs the same as DE, and (2) DE guys don't race for fear of hurting their ego. What bull****.
Racing your daily or weekend driver isn't an option so how can you possibly say it doesn't cost more when many/most of us would have to buy another CAR to do it? (and a trailer and tow vehicle too). Or spend lot$ to get within class rules. Then there's the increased risk of damage. And higher insurance costs. Plus costs to actually be competitive. The list goes on. There are numerous valid reasons for people to stick to DEs only.
Racing your daily or weekend driver isn't an option so how can you possibly say it doesn't cost more when many/most of us would have to buy another CAR to do it? (and a trailer and tow vehicle too). Or spend lot$ to get within class rules. Then there's the increased risk of damage. And higher insurance costs. Plus costs to actually be competitive. The list goes on. There are numerous valid reasons for people to stick to DEs only.
There are still guys in PCA CR who race their daily driver. The same car they used to DE.
12-05-2008, 03:29 PM
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Im going to have to side w/ Bryan on this one. Another note is... as a racer, you dont have the time or the scheduling for everything. Id much rather be at a race than at a DE.
I know plenty of people who buy new Hoosiers for DEs. I'll never understand why, nor has my arguments ever been convincing. Therefore, my approach has been.. who the hell cares. It's their money, if they want to blow it on new Hoosiers for a DE, whatever. If Hoosier makes more money that way in order to continue their contingency programs, then so be it. Im not going to stop someone from supporting my free tires
And you dont need new parts, alignments, etc etc to be running up front. You dont need extra hotel stays or track support either. Ive been a one man show for years and lately Ive been sleeping in my truck or other racer's trailers.
And to the the argument that DE entry fees are less if you instruct. Come on.. Id rather pay an entry fee than to put my life in the hands of a stranger, then juggle two students running between session and then trying to run my own. Where is the "downtime" in that??
At least there is one thing both DEs and racing participants can agree on. Having some brew at the end of the day. Cheers
I know plenty of people who buy new Hoosiers for DEs. I'll never understand why, nor has my arguments ever been convincing. Therefore, my approach has been.. who the hell cares. It's their money, if they want to blow it on new Hoosiers for a DE, whatever. If Hoosier makes more money that way in order to continue their contingency programs, then so be it. Im not going to stop someone from supporting my free tires
And you dont need new parts, alignments, etc etc to be running up front. You dont need extra hotel stays or track support either. Ive been a one man show for years and lately Ive been sleeping in my truck or other racer's trailers.
And to the the argument that DE entry fees are less if you instruct. Come on.. Id rather pay an entry fee than to put my life in the hands of a stranger, then juggle two students running between session and then trying to run my own. Where is the "downtime" in that??
At least there is one thing both DEs and racing participants can agree on. Having some brew at the end of the day. Cheers
12-05-2008, 03:31 PM
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Apparently some racers put down DE-ers out of frigging ignorance and arrogance. I'm reading the dumbest crap ever in this thread. Like (1) racing costs the same as DE, and (2) DE guys don't race for fear of hurting their ego. What bull****.
Racing your daily or weekend driver isn't an option so how can you possibly say it doesn't cost more when many/most of us would have to buy another CAR to do it? (and a trailer and tow vehicle too). Or spend lot$ to get within class rules. Then there's the increased risk of damage. And higher insurance costs. Plus costs to actually be competitive. The list goes on. There are numerous valid reasons for people to stick to DEs only.
Racing your daily or weekend driver isn't an option so how can you possibly say it doesn't cost more when many/most of us would have to buy another CAR to do it? (and a trailer and tow vehicle too). Or spend lot$ to get within class rules. Then there's the increased risk of damage. And higher insurance costs. Plus costs to actually be competitive. The list goes on. There are numerous valid reasons for people to stick to DEs only.
I think you are proving most of the posters points... Sell your car and buy something you can race if you truly want to race. If you don't want to race, then don't, just do DE's.
How about an example of what some are saying in this thread? I remember a while back (years ago) you commenting on one of my race videos and giving me racing tips/suggestions/comments... Do you see the irony? It's that part of DEr's that most racers do not like.
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12-05-2008, 03:48 PM
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DE is to driving as racing is to flying.
DE is to batting practice as racing is to a real game.
I have not met a racer who did not start out in DE.
Enjoy their excitement and interest as it is where our future racers come from !
DE is to batting practice as racing is to a real game.
I have not met a racer who did not start out in DE.
Enjoy their excitement and interest as it is where our future racers come from !
12-05-2008, 03:49 PM
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I WAS SEVENTH!!!!
-td [I'm not a racer, but I play one in DE]
12-05-2008, 03:55 PM
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12-05-2008, 03:59 PM
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Figured someone like you might have beat me to that. Day 1 for me was an open test day, Day 2 was the first day of an SCCA licensing school.
Now if you want to count running around in the Oakland hills on public roads when I was a teenager as DE, then be my guest.
Now if you want to count running around in the Oakland hills on public roads when I was a teenager as DE, then be my guest.
12-05-2008, 04:00 PM
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Just gleaning through this, and maybe someone brought it up, but there is another reason some of us can't race. Or used to and don't now. Health issues. I honestly don't think I could get race licensed RIGHT NOW. Again? Maybe. Personally, my diabetic condition has taken a right turn. (Or is it left turn.) Maybe other guys in my situation get a "wink, wink" from a doctor, but I won't. If I entered a race this weekend, I don't believe I'd be a hazard. But I take wheel-to-wheel (13/13 or for real) very seriously. Always have since I took my first green flag 25 years ago.
A DE (instructor) environment, or a private rental day, allows me to come and go on my own terms. If I want to skip a session, no big deal. Come in early, no big deal.
Here's to hoping the magic of modern medicine whips me back into shape and I can get back at it in '09........
A DE (instructor) environment, or a private rental day, allows me to come and go on my own terms. If I want to skip a session, no big deal. Come in early, no big deal.
Here's to hoping the magic of modern medicine whips me back into shape and I can get back at it in '09........
And thanks for enlightening those who think it is so simple for some of us to "get over your buts.....etc.", and think they have everyone else so easily figured out!
12-05-2008, 04:01 PM
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12-05-2008, 04:04 PM
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There are racers who drive there racecar to the track and are competitive. The east coast club racers will know who Greg Wilson is. Drives his 911SC to the track, races up front and drives it home.
12-05-2008, 04:08 PM
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12-05-2008, 04:10 PM
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I apologize to you and any other racers if I've ever offered constructive critiques of your driving because as a lowly DE driver it's not my place to speak.
12-05-2008, 04:17 PM
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