2008 SIngapore GP , News ,Updates, Results..
09-28-2008, 12:55 PM
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Ferrari haven't anyone to blame but themselves....it may be time to get rid of the lit "lollypop" it could very well have been the straw that broke the camel's back..
Alonso drove perfect doing what he had to do and doing it well, no doubt there was a bit of "good timing" but nevertheless he drove brilliantly...
Alonso drove perfect doing what he had to do and doing it well, no doubt there was a bit of "good timing" but nevertheless he drove brilliantly...
09-28-2008, 01:05 PM
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Alonso takes surprise Singapore GP win
Finn , Amigos BWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HELLO, hello ,hello.......... HELLO, hello, hello..... anyone here , Finn, come out, come out and take it like a man .....Big head fred has delivered ..................
KR proved again he started the race in the fastest car .....Ferrari . Tch ,tch
The best and most complete driver in F1 , wins in a Renault . things that make you go Hmmm
By Matt Beer Sunday, September 28th 2008, 14:03 GMT
Fernando Alonso came from 15th on the grid to take Renault's first victory in two years as an early safety car turned the inaugural Singapore Grand Prix inside out.
The former world champion had pitted before the interruption, so was able to vault to the front as others stopped during the yellow.
Nico Rosberg recovered from a penalty to take a remarkable second for Williams, with Lewis Hamilton extending his championship lead in third place as Felipe Massa finished outside the points after a dramatic pitstop incident.
Alonso languished in the midfield at the start following his qualifying failure, as Massa (Ferrari) gradually edged away from Hamilton up front. The two leaders initially left Massa's teammate Kimi Raikkonen behind, but as the first stint went on, the world champion found more pace and set several fastest laps as he gained on Hamilton.
In their wake, Robert Kubica (BMW) and Heikki Kovalainen (McLaren) banged wheels at the start, allowing Sebastian Vettel (Toro Rosso) and Timo Glock (Toyota) to get between them.
But all the early activity was rendered irrelevant when Nelson Piquet had a heavy crash in his Renault on lap 14, prompting a safety car.
This was ideal timing for his teammate Alonso, who had opted for an aggressive strategy and had pitted for the first time on lap 12, when only 11th.
Red Bull's David Coulthard and Mark Webber, and Honda's Rubens Barrichello all managed to dive in just before the pits were closed, although Webber and Barrichello couldn't take advantage as both suffered mechanical failures shortly afterwards.
But the safety car appeared disastrous for Rosberg and Kubica, who were running low on fuel and had no choice but to stop in the closed pits, inevitably incurring penalties. Rosberg at least took his stop sooner than Kubica, emerging further up the safety car queue - which would later prove crucial.
Massa was able to wait until the pits were open before stopping, only to pull away with his fuel rig still attached when Ferrari's semi-automatic system appeared to give him a premature green light.
The Ferrari wrenched the fuel hose from the rig, with one mechanic requiring a precautionary trip to the medical centre, and Massa then had to wait at the pit exit while his crew ran down to detach the hose. He would also incur a drive-through penalty for being released into the path of Adrian Sutil during the chaos, leaving the pole-sitter at the tail of the field.
Rosberg emerged at the front of the queue ready for the restart, followed by one-stoppers Jarno Trulli (Toyota) and Giancarlo Fisichella (Force India), both yet to pit, then Kubica, the well-placed Alonso, the Red Bulls and Hamilton.
The officials then took five laps to deliberate Rosberg's penalty, allowing the Williams to charge away from the field as Trulli and particularly Fisichella delayed the rest of the pack.
Rosberg was therefore able to establish a sufficient lead to rejoin just ahead of the battling Coulthard and Hamilton, having effectively neutralised his penalty.
When Trulli and Fisichella eventually pitted, Alonso found himself in the lead of the race, and duly edged away from Rosberg, who in turn left Coulthard and Hamilton in his wake.
The McLaren finally passed Coulthard just before their final pitstops, the Red Bull having lost momentum as Alonso rejoined ahead of them following his own last stop. Coulthard then lost time and places at his stop when he pulled away prematurely.
That left Alonso with a comfortable 14-second advantage over Rosberg, and 25 seconds clear of Hamilton, until the safety car was called again on lap 50 when Sutil crashed having seemingly been distracted by Massa having a quick spin ahead of him.
This brought the pack right back onto Alonso's tail, but the Renault driver shrugged this off and stormed away at the restart - re-establishing a six-second lead in just two laps.
Rosberg was able to resist Hamilton to take a career-best second, while the result extended Hamilton's championship lead back up to seven points.
Glock finished fourth, with Raikkonen using a very long middle stint to move back up to fifth after having to queue behind Massa at their first stops. The reigning champion's miserable season took another unhappy turn though when he ran wide and crashed out with only three laps to go.
Vettel was consequently elevated to fifth, having lost a place to Glock when he ran wide at the first restart.
Nick Heidfeld (BMW), Coulthard, and Williams' Kazuki Nakajima completed the points scorers ahead of Honda's Jenson Button.
Kovalainen also lost time queuing behind Hamilton in the first safety car pitstops, and making an early second pit visit failed to pay off, leaving him 10th, ahead of Kubica, who couldn't emulate Rosberg's pre-penalty charge as he was stuck behind Fisichella.
What had seemed such a promising afternoon for Massa ended in a lowly 13th place between Sebastien Bourdais' Toro Rosso and Fisichella, who lacked the speed after his pitstop to capitalise on his brief period in the top three, while Trulli retired from a likely fifth position with a late gearbox failure.
PROVISIONAL RACE RESULTS
The Singapore Grand Prix
Singapore, Singapore;
61 laps; 309.087km;
Weather: Dry.
Classified:
Pos Driver Team Time
1. Alonso Renault (B) 1h57:16.304
2. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) + 2.957
3. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) + 5.917
4. Glock Toyota (B) + 8.155
5. Vettel Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) + 10.268
6. Heidfeld BMW Sauber (B) + 11.101
7. Coulthard Red Bull-Renault (B) + 16.387
8. Nakajima Williams-Toyota (B) + 18.489
9. Button Honda (B) + 19.885
10. Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes (B) + 26.902
11. Kubica BMW Sauber (B) + 27.975
12. Bourdais Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) + 29.432
13. Massa Ferrari (B) + 35.170
14. Fisichella Force India-Ferrari (B) + 43.571
15. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) + 4 laps
Fastest lap: Raikkonen, 1:45.599
Not classified/retirements:
Driver Team On lap
Trulli Toyota (B) 51
Sutil Force India-Ferrari (B) 50
Webber Red Bull-Renault (B) 30
Barrichello Honda (B) 15
Piquet Renault (B) 14
World Championship standings, round 15:
Drivers: Constructors:
1. Hamilton 84 1. McLaren-Mercedes 135
2. Massa 77 2. Ferrari 134
3. Kubica 64 3. BMW Sauber 120
4. Raikkonen 57 4. Renault 51
5. Heidfeld 56 5. Toyota 46
6. Kovalainen 51 6. Toro Rosso-Ferrari 31
7. Alonso 38 7. Red Bull-Renault 28
8. Vettel 27 8. Williams-Toyota 26
9. Trulli 26 9. Honda 14
10. Glock 20
11. Webber 20
12. Rosberg 17
13. Piquet 13
14. Barrichello 11
15. Nakajima 9
16. Coulthard 8
17. Bourdais 4
18. Button 3
All timing unofficial
HELLO, hello ,hello.......... HELLO, hello, hello..... anyone here , Finn, come out, come out and take it like a man .....Big head fred has delivered ..................
KR proved again he started the race in the fastest car .....Ferrari . Tch ,tch
The best and most complete driver in F1 , wins in a Renault . things that make you go Hmmm
By Matt Beer Sunday, September 28th 2008, 14:03 GMT
Fernando Alonso came from 15th on the grid to take Renault's first victory in two years as an early safety car turned the inaugural Singapore Grand Prix inside out.
The former world champion had pitted before the interruption, so was able to vault to the front as others stopped during the yellow.
Nico Rosberg recovered from a penalty to take a remarkable second for Williams, with Lewis Hamilton extending his championship lead in third place as Felipe Massa finished outside the points after a dramatic pitstop incident.
Alonso languished in the midfield at the start following his qualifying failure, as Massa (Ferrari) gradually edged away from Hamilton up front. The two leaders initially left Massa's teammate Kimi Raikkonen behind, but as the first stint went on, the world champion found more pace and set several fastest laps as he gained on Hamilton.
In their wake, Robert Kubica (BMW) and Heikki Kovalainen (McLaren) banged wheels at the start, allowing Sebastian Vettel (Toro Rosso) and Timo Glock (Toyota) to get between them.
But all the early activity was rendered irrelevant when Nelson Piquet had a heavy crash in his Renault on lap 14, prompting a safety car.
This was ideal timing for his teammate Alonso, who had opted for an aggressive strategy and had pitted for the first time on lap 12, when only 11th.
Red Bull's David Coulthard and Mark Webber, and Honda's Rubens Barrichello all managed to dive in just before the pits were closed, although Webber and Barrichello couldn't take advantage as both suffered mechanical failures shortly afterwards.
But the safety car appeared disastrous for Rosberg and Kubica, who were running low on fuel and had no choice but to stop in the closed pits, inevitably incurring penalties. Rosberg at least took his stop sooner than Kubica, emerging further up the safety car queue - which would later prove crucial.
Massa was able to wait until the pits were open before stopping, only to pull away with his fuel rig still attached when Ferrari's semi-automatic system appeared to give him a premature green light.
The Ferrari wrenched the fuel hose from the rig, with one mechanic requiring a precautionary trip to the medical centre, and Massa then had to wait at the pit exit while his crew ran down to detach the hose. He would also incur a drive-through penalty for being released into the path of Adrian Sutil during the chaos, leaving the pole-sitter at the tail of the field.
Rosberg emerged at the front of the queue ready for the restart, followed by one-stoppers Jarno Trulli (Toyota) and Giancarlo Fisichella (Force India), both yet to pit, then Kubica, the well-placed Alonso, the Red Bulls and Hamilton.
The officials then took five laps to deliberate Rosberg's penalty, allowing the Williams to charge away from the field as Trulli and particularly Fisichella delayed the rest of the pack.
Rosberg was therefore able to establish a sufficient lead to rejoin just ahead of the battling Coulthard and Hamilton, having effectively neutralised his penalty.
When Trulli and Fisichella eventually pitted, Alonso found himself in the lead of the race, and duly edged away from Rosberg, who in turn left Coulthard and Hamilton in his wake.
The McLaren finally passed Coulthard just before their final pitstops, the Red Bull having lost momentum as Alonso rejoined ahead of them following his own last stop. Coulthard then lost time and places at his stop when he pulled away prematurely.
That left Alonso with a comfortable 14-second advantage over Rosberg, and 25 seconds clear of Hamilton, until the safety car was called again on lap 50 when Sutil crashed having seemingly been distracted by Massa having a quick spin ahead of him.
This brought the pack right back onto Alonso's tail, but the Renault driver shrugged this off and stormed away at the restart - re-establishing a six-second lead in just two laps.
Rosberg was able to resist Hamilton to take a career-best second, while the result extended Hamilton's championship lead back up to seven points.
Glock finished fourth, with Raikkonen using a very long middle stint to move back up to fifth after having to queue behind Massa at their first stops. The reigning champion's miserable season took another unhappy turn though when he ran wide and crashed out with only three laps to go.
Vettel was consequently elevated to fifth, having lost a place to Glock when he ran wide at the first restart.
Nick Heidfeld (BMW), Coulthard, and Williams' Kazuki Nakajima completed the points scorers ahead of Honda's Jenson Button.
Kovalainen also lost time queuing behind Hamilton in the first safety car pitstops, and making an early second pit visit failed to pay off, leaving him 10th, ahead of Kubica, who couldn't emulate Rosberg's pre-penalty charge as he was stuck behind Fisichella.
What had seemed such a promising afternoon for Massa ended in a lowly 13th place between Sebastien Bourdais' Toro Rosso and Fisichella, who lacked the speed after his pitstop to capitalise on his brief period in the top three, while Trulli retired from a likely fifth position with a late gearbox failure.
PROVISIONAL RACE RESULTS
The Singapore Grand Prix
Singapore, Singapore;
61 laps; 309.087km;
Weather: Dry.
Classified:
Pos Driver Team Time
1. Alonso Renault (B) 1h57:16.304
2. Rosberg Williams-Toyota (B) + 2.957
3. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes (B) + 5.917
4. Glock Toyota (B) + 8.155
5. Vettel Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) + 10.268
6. Heidfeld BMW Sauber (B) + 11.101
7. Coulthard Red Bull-Renault (B) + 16.387
8. Nakajima Williams-Toyota (B) + 18.489
9. Button Honda (B) + 19.885
10. Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes (B) + 26.902
11. Kubica BMW Sauber (B) + 27.975
12. Bourdais Toro Rosso-Ferrari (B) + 29.432
13. Massa Ferrari (B) + 35.170
14. Fisichella Force India-Ferrari (B) + 43.571
15. Raikkonen Ferrari (B) + 4 laps
Fastest lap: Raikkonen, 1:45.599
Not classified/retirements:
Driver Team On lap
Trulli Toyota (B) 51
Sutil Force India-Ferrari (B) 50
Webber Red Bull-Renault (B) 30
Barrichello Honda (B) 15
Piquet Renault (B) 14
World Championship standings, round 15:
Drivers: Constructors:
1. Hamilton 84 1. McLaren-Mercedes 135
2. Massa 77 2. Ferrari 134
3. Kubica 64 3. BMW Sauber 120
4. Raikkonen 57 4. Renault 51
5. Heidfeld 56 5. Toyota 46
6. Kovalainen 51 6. Toro Rosso-Ferrari 31
7. Alonso 38 7. Red Bull-Renault 28
8. Vettel 27 8. Williams-Toyota 26
9. Trulli 26 9. Honda 14
10. Glock 20
11. Webber 20
12. Rosberg 17
13. Piquet 13
14. Barrichello 11
15. Nakajima 9
16. Coulthard 8
17. Bourdais 4
18. Button 3
All timing unofficial
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09-28-2008, 01:34 PM
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What is this Wayne? Is "Ferrari International Assistance" now in Alonso's corner as well? It must some how be linked to the vast conspiracy against LH....
http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,1895...207248,00.html
Alonso escapes opening lap chicanery
Sunday 28th September 2008
In the wake of Fernando Alonso's unexpected victory at the Singapore GP, attention has turned to his opening lap overtaking moves.
Just as Lewis Hamilton was penalised for gaining an advantage for cutting a chicane at Spa, replays of the first corner incident have shown that Alonso's first corner momentum was aided greatly by his failure to use the circuit.
Starting from 15th on the grid, Alonso was on a low-fuel, soft tyre strategy in a bid to make up places as quickly as possible on the opening lap. He placed his Renault tight into the inside of the track at Turn 1 with almost no room to make the turn and simply cut the chicane to avoid getting stuck in the traffic jam of other cars.
His failure to take the racing line into the corner alongside Jenson Button's Honda allowed him to overtake the Brit and claim 12th place on the opening lap, while Button slipped down to 14th place.
Stewards decided not to investigate this or the moves of Nelson Piquet and Nick Heidfeld who also benefitted from not using the tarmac.
Alonso and Heidfeld were both critical of Hamilton's move at Spa with Alonso pointing out that even though Hamilton did not gain a place on Kimi Raikkonen he would not have had the same momentum if he had been forced to take the chicane "that is what they are there for" said the Spaniard.
http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,1895...207248,00.html
Alonso escapes opening lap chicanery
Sunday 28th September 2008
In the wake of Fernando Alonso's unexpected victory at the Singapore GP, attention has turned to his opening lap overtaking moves.
Just as Lewis Hamilton was penalised for gaining an advantage for cutting a chicane at Spa, replays of the first corner incident have shown that Alonso's first corner momentum was aided greatly by his failure to use the circuit.
Starting from 15th on the grid, Alonso was on a low-fuel, soft tyre strategy in a bid to make up places as quickly as possible on the opening lap. He placed his Renault tight into the inside of the track at Turn 1 with almost no room to make the turn and simply cut the chicane to avoid getting stuck in the traffic jam of other cars.
His failure to take the racing line into the corner alongside Jenson Button's Honda allowed him to overtake the Brit and claim 12th place on the opening lap, while Button slipped down to 14th place.
Stewards decided not to investigate this or the moves of Nelson Piquet and Nick Heidfeld who also benefitted from not using the tarmac.
Alonso and Heidfeld were both critical of Hamilton's move at Spa with Alonso pointing out that even though Hamilton did not gain a place on Kimi Raikkonen he would not have had the same momentum if he had been forced to take the chicane "that is what they are there for" said the Spaniard.
09-28-2008, 01:38 PM
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Good win for Alonso.
I can't believe that Massa's own team screwed him out of this important win. Hammy ran a smart race and can almost taste the championship. He will be hard to stop now.
I can't believe that Massa's own team screwed him out of this important win. Hammy ran a smart race and can almost taste the championship. He will be hard to stop now.
09-28-2008, 01:44 PM
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Try as you may nutters ! the chicane rule does not apply to opening lap debauchery 
. read the rule book .....
Now for a few pics from singa 08
. read the rule book .....Now for a few pics from singa 08
09-28-2008, 02:11 PM
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That was pretty crazy, Alonso looked great, I was actually happy for him. I like the pit rule, it shuffled the field and made the race interesting.
What's up with Kimi though? The Ferrari's are obviously the fastest cars, they need a guy that's at least consistent and doesnt disappear for weeks at a time and they'd have it in the bag. I cant beleive McClaren have clawed back into manufacturers now. This is now a battle of who does the least to throw it away, McClaren almost threw it away in qualy themselves.
Heikki is looking a bit shaky as the season progresses as well. That last race must have hurt his confidence a bit.
What's up with Kimi though? The Ferrari's are obviously the fastest cars, they need a guy that's at least consistent and doesnt disappear for weeks at a time and they'd have it in the bag. I cant beleive McClaren have clawed back into manufacturers now. This is now a battle of who does the least to throw it away, McClaren almost threw it away in qualy themselves.
Heikki is looking a bit shaky as the season progresses as well. That last race must have hurt his confidence a bit.
09-28-2008, 02:45 PM
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Heikki gets owned on starts and then he can't repass. I wouldn't have him as a driver.
09-28-2008, 04:12 PM
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09-28-2008, 04:29 PM
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I don't want to see spoilers, so I am quickly posting here.
Masa should be penalized, the team should as well. They release him (AGAIN) JUST as he would have CUT OFF SOMEONE AGAIN! And the damn fuel doesn't release again. NOTHING from the FIA as of 42 to go.
The dangerous situation, and because of the INCONTESTABLE bias of the FIA Ferarri will again get off scott free, I am sure.
Its a joke.
(Edit: Okay, now he is going back in for an "unsafe release")
GOOD!
Masa should be penalized, the team should as well. They release him (AGAIN) JUST as he would have CUT OFF SOMEONE AGAIN! And the damn fuel doesn't release again. NOTHING from the FIA as of 42 to go.
The dangerous situation, and because of the INCONTESTABLE bias of the FIA Ferarri will again get off scott free, I am sure.
Its a joke.
(Edit: Okay, now he is going back in for an "unsafe release")
GOOD!
09-28-2008, 05:13 PM
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I want a fvcking picture of Masa driving down the pitlane with the hose attached with a big "FAIL" across the bottom.
09-28-2008, 05:57 PM
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