LVDell

I didn't imply that. Imply is what most have done in this thread. Read into it what you will. I'm done here. The fact is that it's a shame that two cars didn't get to finish a race and what exactly happened, none of us will know.

mglobe

Great comments. A very interesting discussion for a soon-to-be racer.

Jarez Mifkin

I would like to see the data from s/f all the way to the incident. I'm curious to what the apex speed was at T5.

KRA993tt

Regardless of this chatter, it would be interesting to know what the wisdom of the race officials determined.

GT3 Racer

Every corner at RA is under video coverage, I am sure the officials got a good look and took appropriate measures.

mark kibort

But, he (99) completed the pass and was hit by behind. Regardless of the driver behind being faster or even faster in the turns, if he is that good, he should be able to control himself in the turn, after being passed without hitting anyone.
We race like this EVERY single race and one one seems to touch, as I think it just has to do with car control and attitude. He lost control as was not able to match the 99 cars slightly slower speed, and position his car to the outside during the run through the turn. The approach to the turn has nothing to do with it.

mk

mark kibort

just because its an enduro, doesnt mean you drive like you are doing a DE.
enduro Race means its a LONGE race than a sprint race, but still a race. You dont want to be anything stupid as is a long RACE, but still a race. He was patient by waiting for a point where he could complete a pass and even give room on the exit as too not kill momentum or slam the door on a possible 2 wide entry and exit on the turn. No reason at all there should have been contact. The only question is why the contact before the turn, but thats a separate discussion. once the 99 car was in front, it was the following cars responsibilty to control his car . by the way, it wasnt a light contact, it was a big punt or bump!

mk

mark kibort

did you notice where the cup car was trying to go? it wasnt that he couldnt slow down, he was trying to pass on the outside, in the turn, even though the 99 left a little room. I watched it again, as the 99 got punted and there was no cup car in sight? I thought, where did he go? he punted as he went around ON the outside. clearly, he didnt feel it was right for him to get passed and he was going to fight it through the turn at all cost. 13/13 no question

ausgeflippt951

Their particular speed? No idea. But typically it's at least 50, but no more than 60.



The truly gifted drivers are able to run a 90-min enduro at a sprint pace. Without a single problem.

FWIW, saying that driver variability is a "problem" seems a little ridiculous. Saying "therein lies the challenge" would be more appropriate -- this is motor racing, folks. It's what makes W2W exciting -- the best you can do is be as aware as possible of the environment around you, and make decisions based on best guesses for the guy next to you's move. If you want to always be assured your car will come back in one piece, buy an XBox and play from the couch. For the rest of us, we'll take our chances and drive to the best of our abilities -- which includes as safely as possible, constantly aware of what the guy next to us is doing.

The "spinee" car undoubtedly had a slower apex speed than the spinner car, but T5 is a very wide turn -- very possible to run wide, or take the turn off-line.

mark kibort

and their times were less than 2 seconds apart, which at Road America is more like under 1 second at a shorter track near you. 2:15s, 2:17s in enduro qual are all pretty darn quick out there. the very fastest in the group couldnt breat 2:19 in the actual enduro. Thats besides the point. The turn is near texbook for a 90 degree turn off a fast straight. It was a punt, clear and simple.

mk

George A

So does that mean if the 99 over slowed into T5, he should get the 13?

I'm not being argumentative, just trying to get a handle of the rules. I know there was another incident that weekend where the lead car over slowed and got tapped in the back and the car that did the tapping got the 13.

G.

George A

Geoffrey,

I know it's been discussed here before, but why don't we make these rulings public? I've read a couple and it made what appeared initially as a "strange" ruling, rational. Heck, the FIA does for F1.....

G.

KRA993tt

It would be interesting to know what they felt was appropriate.

Premier Motorsp

Why are you guys even talking about what happened in turn 5?

The driver of the red and white car intentionally tried to run the camera car off the track on a straight! How can there be any excuse for that?

In what race series is that action appropriate? 150 mph, walls 10 feet from the track on both sides. That is the action of a lunatic.

Geoffrey

You'd have to ask the head of PCA club racing why? If you think they should be public, then write a rules proposal that says "incident rulings shall be posted on the PCA website after each race". PCA is run by the club racers and the rules defined by them as well.

That is because it is Rennlist, and you aren't getting all of the facts. I assure you, the Stewards are racers themselves, they aren't arbritary, nor are they idiots.