Originally Posted by DanL993

Quad: Facts are that two young fathers died in a firey crash where speed was a factor.

Originally Posted by WanderingPurist

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Many here have STRONGLY stated, "there's no way that could have happened (at speeds under triple digits)" and others have gone so far as to call the deceased socially irresponsible, or worse ("idiots" comes to mind)

I wasn't there, I don't know what happened in this case. I was supposed to be there; I know several people who WERE there. And those who where there, and they are well qualified to judge speeds, and WERE THERE, told me the car wasn't going over 45, certainly not 100. They may be wrong. They may be lying.

But I DO KNOW that what is seen on the internet, in pictures, of the aftermath, CAN happen at speeds less than 45mph, if the impact is just right, something (like ruptured fuel tank?) caused a fire, and explosion (I fully realize not all auto fires result in explosions; in fact, most don't. In this case, by most accounts, it did.)

In fact, I KNOW results like these CAN happen at speeds of less than 40mph...to quote, "been there, done that."

I know of instances where a car was going THE POSTED SPEED and due to a broken suspension member or ruptured coolant line or fluid on the road or SOMETHING, went off the road at between 35-40MPH on a 35MPH posted turn, on a dry, sunny, warm day. To quote again, "been there, done that."

In this instance of the CGT, EYEWITNESSES told me they may ("were") on the throttle, and in that spot, not a good idea to be on the throttle (one eyewitness mentioned a pothole or manhole cover, but it was only one) but all were consistent in the estimate of speed - "no more than 45mph." This may or may not be accurate, or even true, but multiple independent EYEWITNESSES have told me this.

You could say that "being on the throttle" through that section of road was negligent or socially irresponsible; I can't argue that. Neither can anyone else, with any foundation, unless you know that particular stretch of road and witnessed the specific circumstances when the incident happened.

Regardless, all the armchair forensic experts here and elsewhere look at the pictures, and write, "there is NO WAY that happened at 45; more like (triple digits)"

And to this all I can write is, "been there, done that. it CAN happen at 45mph; even less than 40mph."

But I had sworn myself to stay out of this, until I read this -

"I refuse to run toward a fire caused by negligent idiots."

"Negligent idiots..." - seriously, I had promised myself I wouldn't comment again in this thread, on this topic, since it seemed those who would conclude what they wanted to conclude was going to conclude that, no matter WHAT anyone else or their experiences or eyes and ears said; it would be an exercise in futility to try to convince them otherwise. And I've already stated I wasn't there, so again, I can only go by my personal experiences in a somewhat similar situation - YES, IT CAN HAPPEN AT 35-40 MPH. BEEN THERE, DONE THAT.

Redleg321 - "negligent idiots...two idiots driving negligently."

I have many friends and family in the various services, including the shadows; some of them have died or been seriously injured in service to their country, some whose memories of those services are carried only by themselves and their brothers in arms. Their nation will never know, nor appreciate, their service. So again, for your service, thank you.

But for your judgemental narrowmindedness, I have to call you on that.

"you don't know the circumstances; and besides, NO ONE deserves this."

Originally Posted by redleg321

I realize this topic is already full of contention. I'm not trying to add fuel to this fire so I'll just post this:

"Speed played a role in the one-car crash that killed "The Fast and the Furious" actor Paul Walker in Southern California on Saturday, the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department said"

""Speed was a factor in the solo vehicle collision," the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department said in a statement."

SOURCE: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...,6107365.story

If the story had been something that I couldn't imagine and it turns out they were NOT being negligent, I would accept that evidence.

But come on, just look at that scene and the tire marks on the street, etc. How do you look at that and say they were driving responsibly? I'll back off with my strong language that I know offended some people (others I know it hasn't; I'm not the only guy on the internet with a sick sense of humor).

Why can't we just look at that accident and admit it was gross negligence? Or do we not trust the investigating authorities?

I pray for the families and loved ones of the deceased. It is a tragedy for them. However, I will not pretend the deceased were acting honorably or morally in the situation in which they died. I saw that **** in the military and I can't stand glorifying idiots/******** just because they died.

EDIT: I said I wouldn't use strong language and I ended with using "idiots/********". I apologize.

Originally Posted by DesmoRR

However I must tell everyone I am ashamed that for some reason my name has even been brought into this terrible situation.

Originally Posted by Pazzo009

I have a question? If it was a steering failure i.e. losing pressure…Wouldn't you still have steering capabilities? Or on this car, would it lock?

Originally Posted by wtdoom

"We're told the $500,000 Carrera GT was NOT modified and was driven rarely so they believe any failure must be a factory defect."

Oh dear , here we go.

Originally Posted by DanL993

IMHO windydog is correct and this needs to be brought up too amongst all the RIPs. They both take personal responsibility...the passenger could, and should, have asked his "friend" to stop and apparently didn't.....but we'll never know. My guess is that we will discover speed way in excess of what could be called "pushing it a bit".

Too bad for their families, for sure, that they were both so irresponsible.