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Stuntman is probably the single most qualified Rennlister to actually know. I won't tell you how I know, but I know he does.
#1758
OT: I sat in the new Ford Focus RS this week - not impressed, smells and feels super cheap (and i'm not an interior snob) - seating position was awful felt like I was sitting in a high chair or something. Wouldn't buy it off ergonomics alone.
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Would you agree with the conclusion that a V6 Camaro is faster than your GT3 because a comparison was performed with a pro in the Camaro and an inexperienced driver in the GT3? That's pretty much what LL does and why their results should be thrown in the trash.
Basically a handful of Car & Driver journalists go to the track and who gets to drive what is based off of seniority and experience. They really only have 1 decent driver and he gets to drive the best cars, but when each person is responsible for 5-6 cars, you get a split of driver talent between competitive cars which can result in cars of equal pace being seconds apart when in reality they may be within tenths (or even the faster car being misrepresented as slower because it doesn't work with that journalist's driving style). Anyone who avidly tracks their car can see some pretty big flaws in the structure of their test:
On top of that, VIR has been repaved twice in the past few years and widened once, so no fault to C&D, but it's just bad timing that the track they chose changed so much, and really makes for historic times less relevant.
Anyone who tracks their cars knows that over a course of a day, lap times can vary by second(s) from early in the morning to the heat of the day. Doing a comparison over multiple days introduces a ton of variables unless you are trying to do all of your lap times in the ideal morning temperatures -which C&D likely doesn't.
I don't mind reading the subjective reviews of a given car by journalists, but to me, when I look at objective performance measurements, I think as many things as possible should be held constant and want to know which car is objectively faster. I don't want to see a drag racer doing 0-60 & 1/4 mile times in a Z06 being compared to someone who can barely drive stick in a Viper any more than I want to look at lap times of two different amateur drivers. I find MotorTrend's use of a pro (Randy) to compare cars as far more credible.
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He just wants to be cool like the Asians.
#1761
Asians (many of them) are cool in my book...
Have you even driven it? Hard? That's where the FoRS shines... don't ask me how I know.
But I'll give my four cents worth... to me, it's actually more fun to toss it into turns and on & off ramps than the 350 is on the streets. Plus sitting position is fine for me... I'm 5'10" and those stock US-market Recaros are good enough as well on & off the track. It's a Focus for 36k.... I don't expect an M2 like interior. Plus it's not like the GT350 has an interior worthy of a 60k car neither. Don't expect Blue Label for Bud Light price.
But I'll give my four cents worth... to me, it's actually more fun to toss it into turns and on & off ramps than the 350 is on the streets. Plus sitting position is fine for me... I'm 5'10" and those stock US-market Recaros are good enough as well on & off the track. It's a Focus for 36k.... I don't expect an M2 like interior. Plus it's not like the GT350 has an interior worthy of a 60k car neither. Don't expect Blue Label for Bud Light price.
#1762
Originally Posted by stuntman;[url=tel:13589557
13589557[/url]]Different days (years) different pavement, different drivers, LL is a joke with no constants.
Originally Posted by C.J. Ichiban;[url=tel:13590004
13590004[/url]] I won't tell you how I know, but I know he does.
#1763
Asians (many of them) are cool in my book...
Have you even driven it? Hard? That's where the FoRS shines... don't ask me how I know.
But I'll give my four cents worth... to me, it's actually more fun to toss it into turns and on & off ramps than the 350 is on the streets. Plus sitting position is fine for me... I'm 5'10" and those stock US-market Recaros are good enough as well on & off the track. It's a Focus for 36k.... I don't expect an M2 like interior. Plus it's not like the GT350 has an interior worthy of a 60k car neither. Don't expect Blue Label for Bud Light price.
Have you even driven it? Hard? That's where the FoRS shines... don't ask me how I know.
But I'll give my four cents worth... to me, it's actually more fun to toss it into turns and on & off ramps than the 350 is on the streets. Plus sitting position is fine for me... I'm 5'10" and those stock US-market Recaros are good enough as well on & off the track. It's a Focus for 36k.... I don't expect an M2 like interior. Plus it's not like the GT350 has an interior worthy of a 60k car neither. Don't expect Blue Label for Bud Light price.
The GT350 and the Boss 302 are the only cars in recent production from Ford that I would pay good money to own.
BTW it was no Bud Light price here - with the ADM the Focus RS was closing in on 50k.
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#1765
I thought the exterior of the Focus RS looked great and i've read good things, but when I sat in that car I felt like a rental company handed me the keys to everyone's last choice - seriously I couldn't stand it, the smell alone had me gagging - it could of been a Dodge Avenger in there. I'm sure it's a blast, and I love what they are doing but I felt way high off the ground and oddly positioned.
The GT350 and the Boss 302 are the only cars in recent production from Ford that I would pay good money to own.
BTW it was no Bud Light price here - with the ADM the Focus RS was closing in on 50k.
The GT350 and the Boss 302 are the only cars in recent production from Ford that I would pay good money to own.
BTW it was no Bud Light price here - with the ADM the Focus RS was closing in on 50k.
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