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I like how you have worded it and I am totally in agreement. As an engineer, I have always loved Porsche because it is so perfectly engineered. I love Vette's simply because I am an American and it is the ultimate here. I really want to drive this new Vette, in fact, I have to. Given that I can find one on a lot (all the dealers are just taking orders), I think that when I show up with my 911 and tell them that it is my trade they'll let me have a test drive. I frankly do not think I will be blown away other than amazed at how much US automotive engineering has learned from German. I drove an AMG for four years, even drove them at COTA, and at the end of the day there is nothing like a 911 (if there is I haven't driven it).
I have called M-B the GM of Germany, but Porsche is in a class by itself. There is no substitute.
I'm an engineer too, and that fully explains my love for Porsches. Agree, M-B has fallen in my book, ask me about my '14 E550 cab, what a mistake. They moved to the mass market and are reliant on the reputation built over the last 100 years to sell their homogenized product. BMW was my former love, they lost me when they lost the steering feel recipe. Nice to see the Corvette so competitive. And nice to see an American made product perform like that. I wish it well, and who knows, I'm an unpredictable engineer, one may wind up in my garage one day.
I just built this beauty over at the Chevy site. Good grief, my trade is more than the price of this!
$81,230
I am too much of a "Porsche *****" to get one, but I certainly will drive one!
I’m very interested to see how these hold up to the test of time and miles. My previous 2008 Boxster RS Spyder had 77K when I sold it and was as tight and solid as a new car. I have no idea how higher mileage Vettes hold up but for those that hold on to cars for a while is a big deal.
no way do I buy and hold a c8. value will drop when initial hype dies down and the new top versions will take the limelight. and who knows how good or bad reliability and quality will be. so just lease one for 750/mo and return it wet and dirty in 3 yrs. no risk.
I'm an engineer too, and that fully explains my love for Porsches. Agree, M-B has fallen in my book, ask me about my '14 E550 cab, what a mistake. They moved to the mass market and are reliant on the reputation built over the last 100 years to sell their homogenized product.
Exactly. Could not have said it better. To me M-B is in the same realm as Toyota these days, aside from maybe the S Class. Their whole business model and soulless range of "every car for every person" products are completely appliance grade now.
Originally Posted by neanicu
Man this guy ain't no driver(double negative for drama),but that thing is squealing and complaining all over the place. I'm not some pro either,but this much I know : all that tire squeal is not good unless you're sliding on purpose. It sounds like that thing is squealing itself apart and panel gaps get wider,suspension gets looser and interior panels get rattlier. Lol.
Still a bargain for the price...
Oh yeah, just wait until that measly 14K torsional rigidity comes into play.
Oh yeah, just wait until that measly 14K torsional rigidity comes into play.
15kN/deg = enough for Porsche...
I'm seeing 14,500 for C7, and either +10% or +19% for C8, so should be 16k - 17k.
14k would be fine with me, I'd rather have a fixed roof and less weight than more stiffness. And I'm a structures guy...
So the 911 has a higher trap speed (surprising considering less paper stats.... those PCar horses sure are bred more thoroughly) thus more actual power to weight, more consistent 0-60 times thanks to not being as sensitive to bad roads, a more consistent and sorted suspension and chassis (read: less sloppy), and pulls a considerably better lateral G even with less sticky tires 1.09 vs 1.04)? Unfortunate to read that even with a roaring N/A behind your head, they said the C8 feels quiet and isolated inside so it gives LESS sensation of speed than the 911. Disappointing to hear as the 9A2 911’s are already so quiet and isolated. They also noted better steering and brake feel (and performance) from the 911.
Seems closer, but business as usual. One thing it definitely has over the 911 is an N/A soundtrack and pedal response which is major points.
“The Carrera laid down a truly blistering 22.7-second lap at 0.94 average lateral g to the Corvette's significantly slower 23.3-second lap at only 0.90 g. That's just barely quicker than the previous generation's Z51, which figure-eight master Kim Reynolds always found to be an unpredictable mess in this test despite the numbers it put up.”
The 911 also got to an astonishingly 8 MPH faster speeds on their test track than the Vette could. And yes, the 911 was faster around their track.
Looks like my initial projection was right. The 911’s precision engineering defeats the Vette despite less on paper.
“In judging these cars, we kept coming back to priority. If it's the ultimate driving experience you're after, the feeling of car and driver as one, the Porsche is worth those extra as-tested $34,335. If those extra tenths on a racetrack matter most, the Porsche is also worth the money. But even if this is the lens you judge sports cars through, Porsche should still be looking over its shoulder.”
As predicted again, business as usual with the Vette being the value play and being on its heels, but not matching its holistic feel and engineering. And that’s even with the turbo Carreras feeling so isolated (shockingly, the Vette is even more so).
And to me the styling is no contest. One will look cool for a couple of years then look clumsily haphazardly dated and bloated with a time specific generic corporate GM rear, and one will look as sophisticated and timeless for an eternity, as every one of its predecessors.
I'm not a fan of the rear end looks, but it will be hard to resist the Z06 if it comes with the flat plane 5.5L engine. Will still probably cost less than the Carrera S so they can run the comparison all over again!
Corvette Z06
We expect the C8 Corvette Z06 will use a naturally aspirated version of the engine that will supposedly rev to 8600 rpm and develop in excess of 600 horsepower, a power figure that's credible given the Voodoo's power rating and 8250-rpm redline. (More revs equal more power per liter.) It is rumored that GM engineers had designed the motor to spin to 9000 rpm, but that design elements of the Tremec-built dual-clutch automatic transmission—the same one that will be standard across all versions of the C8—restricted the redline to the lower number.
This engine will help the Z06 return to its roots as a lightweight, naturally aspirated, high-revving, rear-drive, track-focused car. We believe that, as in our illustration above, it will have a wider body than the standard Stingray to cover its wider wheels and tires.
Dont worry gents, that $34,000 price delta will buy you a z06 in due time. Remember, the Carrera has manual adjust seats at this price gap too...
Also note the corvette is the better riding GT car, quieter, and yes faster from light to light (if that's your thing). Seems to be a win, and motor trend agrees.
MT claims Chevy has matched the PDK with their first effort in the Tremec 8 speed DCT. That's a relief, and would have been a huge problem given the lack of a manual option. This was my biggest concern..
They also noted the Corvette has higher stability at triple digits, noting the 911 was getting excessive steering feedback.
Seems the only thing holding the C8s laptime up is the mid corner push, something that was seemingly done on purpose for safety, and will likely be tuned out for more track oriented versions.
The C8Z is looking better and better.
Looking forward to the base 992 and 718 S comparison, as those cars are priced closer to the C8.
Dont worry gents, that $34,000 price delta will buy you a z06 in due time. Remember, the Carrera has manual adjust seats at this price gap too...
Also note the corvette is the better riding GT car, quieter, and yes faster from light to light (if that's your thing). Seems to be a win, and motor trend agrees.
You can apply the above post to pretty much any 911 vs Vette generation. As I imagined, business as usual.
The Vette’s figure 8 is especially lousy for a mid engine car with such power and sticky tires (stickier than the 911). Appears all the efforts they made to make an N/A V8 sports car so quiet and ride like a luxury sedan which will make it less engaging to drive on backgrounds than even its massive size and weight insinuate, have diminishing returns through corners. The lateral grip isn’t so great for a mid engine Vette with such sticky tires either. My 991.1 especially with the wider wheels I have and extra especially with equal tires can no doubt surpass that.
10-16-2019, 10:29 PM
