MrMarco

Sure, trade it off and let it be someone else's problem. How nice of you.

RCMAC

Actually, I'd try to avoid making it "someone else's problem."
I'm thinking of trading it in at the Porsche dealer. They know the problem, would probably reduce what they'd offer me on a trade-in, and could then fix it at cost and it wouldn't be anybody else's problem. It's my problem to deal with.
My point was just that if I have to spend the money, I might rather put it toward a new car.
Still undecided about what to do.

RCMAC

Thanks. I had a 911 for a number of years and was a member of PCA. I let it lapse a few years ago but should re-join..
I'll look for an independent shop that could do the repair.

MrMarco

Good to hear. I am jaded as it appears my 2017 S consignment has the TC issue. Not horrible yet, but I'll bet $40,000 they knew this Macan had a problem when it rolled up on the lot.....

Scheduled for a professional diagnosis on the 21st from my local tech before I make the two hour drive to the dealer.

worf928

It is, by the book, an engine-out procedure.

The parts expense on this repair is minimal in comparison to labor. The implied-by-the-above shop rate is >$250/hour.

Those are NYC and Silly Cone Valley rates.

Shop around for an independent or for a dealer outside of you area.

Dubbed743

Curious if anyone is paying out of pocket to repair the leak if they're out of warranty. I've seen $14,000 and $9,000 and other numbers around the thread, which seems like a lot...

RCMAC

I haven't decided yet what I'm going to do. There's a highly respected independent Porsche repair shop not too far away and they're going to be looking at my Macan in a few weeks after we return from a stay with friends and family. In the meantime, I asked the original dealer for a detailed estimate and description of the job. I'll paste their note below. They also provided a long list of parts and prices. I'd be interested in any comments.
From the dealer:In the case of every engine reseal we quote every single part necessary to do a full reseal of the front timing cover of the engine; quite a few of the components that must be removed are one-time use only components. For example, when you remove the valve covers it is necessary to replace the valve cover gasket and bolts (as they are aluminum) and any bolts that are aluminum are one-time use only. Any high pressure fuel lines as well as sub frame fasteners/components are also one-time use only. You can see below for a full list of the parts that were quoted on your particular vehicle’s reseal, which totaled at $4,496.30 for the parts before tax. I apologize for the layout, I had to take screenshots and compile them together so it may be slightly disorienting due to the amount of parts.

As far as labor goes, if an oil leak is identified from the timing chain cover and it has been found that any part on the timing cover has failed, then the engine must be removed and the entire timing chain cover resealed per Porsche standards. A small summary in sequence is as follows (per Porsche instructions):

15331940 - R&I chain housing cover

15051690 - Adjust camshafts

44950300 - Measure alignment (with steel springs) OR 44950303 (with air springs)

44951550 - Adjust alignment (with steel springs) OR 44951553 (with air springs)

45600550 - Adjust steering-angle sensor for PSM*

27851550 - Adjust measuring sensor*

96382550 - Adjust front camera*

Parts that will be removed during the removal and installation of the timing chain housing cover include the transmission, exhaust manifold, cylinder head covers, turbochargers, oil guide housing, and the oil pan. 50 hours of labor for my technician would include everything above, at $179.95/hour we would be looking at $8,997.50 pre-tax. Generally this kind of work takes at least a week to finish completely. If in the future you did decide you would like to repair the vehicle I would be happy to schedule you with a loaner so you are not down a vehicle for that long. Let me know if you have any other questions, hopefully this helps.

DarbyMacanS

Just had my Macan s in to my indy shop for this and the water pump leaking...45k miles my guess had been leaking since 35k due to the oil in the engine compartment. Now it is off to Porsche for the transfer case failing. Luckily the transfer case is under warranty. I have a Cayman s as well and never had one issue with it.... Very depressing situation!

worf928

It is very disturbing that there are $4500 worth of single-use parts required to change gaskets and bolts for the timing chain covers.

I’ll need to pull out my invoice for this when it was done under warranty and see what’s listed.

Faust T.

If you're looking for a list of parts here you go

1 999-707-481-40 RUBBER O-RING (N/C)
1 948-101-125-21 SEAL (N/C)
1 948-101-127-20 SEAL, TIM.CASE COVE (N/C)
1 946-101-129-04 SEALING (N/C)
1 946-101-130-04 SEALING (N/C)
1 000-043-209-93 CLEANING AGENT CORRO (N/C)
1 000-043-305-60 SEALING COMPOUND ENG (N/C)
2 999-073-913-31 OVAL-HEAD SCREW 8X55 (N/C)
9 999-073-914-31 OVAL-HEAD SCREW 6X55 (N/C)
55 999-073-905-31 OVAL-HEAD SCREW 6X30 (N/C)
1 948-101-910-20 JOINT FLANGE (N/C)
2 999-073-903-31 OVAL-HEAD SCREW 6X20 (N/C)
1 948-102-202-10 HEX SCREW 18X72 (N/C)
4 999-707-677-40 O-RING (N/C)
4 999-707-677-41 O-RING (N/C)
1 946-105-936-65 VALVE-COVER GASKET (N/C)
1 946-105-935-65 VALVE-COVER GASKET (N/C)
6 946-105-937-65 VALVE-COVER GASKET (N/C)
7 999-073-908-31 OVAL-HEAD SCREW 8X35 (N/C)
1 900-123-118-30 ALUM SEAL RING (N/C)
4 9A7-008-348-00 SEALING RING (N/C)
1 946-107-322-75 SEALING RING (N/C)
1 999-701-490-40 O-RING (N/C)
2 948-107-175-20 SEALING (N/C)
1 000-043-305-33 SEALING COMPOUND (N/C)
1 900-123-152-30 SEALING RING (N/C)
1 038-103-196-B SEALING RING, SENDER (N/C)
4 999-707-603-40 O-RING 10,00X3,00N (N/C)
1 999-707-547-40 O-RING (N/C)
1 999-707-585-40 O-RING (N/C)
1 999-707-567-40 O-RING (N/C)
1 999-707-603-40 O-RING 10,00X3,00N (N/C)
1 0PB-115-047 SAFETY CLIP (N/C)
2 PAF-008-476 O-RING (N/C)
1 946-110-127-06 FUEL LINE (N/C)
1 946-110-131-05 FUEL LINE (N/C)
4 PAF-008-126 HEXAGON HEAD BOLT (N/C)
6 946-110-146-60 SEALING (N/C)
1 WHT-004-595 PAN-HEAD SCREW 10X90 (N/C)
1 WHT-005-204 PAN-HEAD SCREW 10X80 (N/C)
2 WHT-004-635 HEXAGON NUT (N/C)
2 WHT-003-211 12 POINT SCREW 10X50 (N/C)
4 N-911-451-01 COMBINATION SCREW 10 (N/C)
6 PAF-911-432 12-POINT HEAD BOLT (N/C)
1 999-707-556-41 O-RING (N/C)
1 999-707-557-41 O-RING (N/C)
4 WHT-004-571 PAN-HEAD SCREW 14X11 (N/C)
2 PAF-102-861 HEXAGON COLLAR NUT S (N/C)
2 N-105-707-02 HEXAGON-HEAD BOLT 10 (N/C)
1 95B-253-115 SEALING (N/C)
2 946-111-181-75 SEALING (N/C)
18 PAF-007-634 HEXAGON FLANGE NUT, (N/C)
1 5Q0-253-115-B GASKET (N/C)
1 PAB-253-725 CLIP (N/C)
1 95B-253-725-B Z CLIP (N/C)
1 5C0-253-115-A GASKET (N/C)
2 958-111-220-10 CLAMPING SLEEVE (N/C)
2 PAF-008-270 O-RING (N/C)
4 999-707-603-40 O-RING 10,00X3,00N (N/C)
4 999-707-613-40 O-RING (N/C)
7 999-707-670-40 O-RING (N/C)
8 PAF-911-561 HEXAGON BOLT (N/C)
12 PAF-904-411 SCREW (N/C)
2 N-102-412-02 HEXAGON-HEAD BOLT 12 (N/C)
2 N-101-064-02 HEXAGON NUT (N/C)
1 95B-130-295-D Z FUEL LINE (N/C)
1 PAF-107-722 EAR CRIMP HOSE CLAMP (N/C)
1 WHT-004-955-A TORX SCREW 8X30 (N/C)
8 0/40 0/40 MOBIL 1 (N/C)
1 0PB-115-466 OIL FILTER INSERT (N/C)
3 N-909-865-01 HOSE CLAMP (N/C)
1 999-707-575-40 O-RING (N/C)
1 999-707-558-41 O-RING (N/C)
1 9A7-521-142-01 GASKET. (N/C)
3 955-349-191-21 DRIVE SHAFT PLATE. (N/C)
6 PAF-107-599 SCREW (N/C)
4 PAF-911-561 HEXAGON BOLT (N/C)
1 955-110-721-00 ROUND SEAL. (N/C)
1 000-043-305-75 ANTIFREEZE (3.785 L) (N/C)

MichBadger

I'm new here and currently shopping for a used Macan S or GTS. My preference is a low mileage, 3 year old car, with CPO.
1. I found a CPO that has a carfax entry of "engine cover removed and replaced". I already have a call in to the dealership for clarification but wondering if anyone has seen this on their own carfax after a timing chain cover repair?
2. Have there been any reports of a second leak, after the initial repair has been completed? Or do people think that the repair procedure is somehow different from original factory build and has a robust permanent corrective action incorporated?
3. Would you rather buy a 20,000 mile car that has already had a leak repaired, or the same car that has never had a leak?

weston98

[QUOTE=MichBadger;17768617]I'm new here and currently shopping for a used Macan S or GTS. My preference is a low mileage, 3 year old car, with CPO.

2. Have there been any reports of a second leak, after the initial repair has been completed? Or do people think that the repair procedure is somehow different from original factory build and has a robust permanent corrective action incorporated?
/QUOTE]

Re: question #2. As one who had the leak repair done recently I would also be interested to hear if anyone reported a second leak.

burgerdog

I got my 17 GTS back yesterday after it spent 5 weeks at the dealership. The service agent told me that the new bolts that they are using are magnesium. Does that sound right for anybody else in here that has had the leak fixed?

jkirkerx

Doesn't sound right to me. Maybe more magnesium in the aluminum alloy of the bolt.

https://www.researchgate.net/post/Co...s_applications

Anestheticg

Had a leaking timing chain cover. Car is under CPO until may 2022. Dealer did NOT remove engine and said they fixed the broken bolt. I am aware this is not the “right” way to get it done with an engine out being best practice. I imagine the dealer did not want to be bothered with so many hours of labor that is not all covered by PCNA… what can I do about this.. I have a warranty for another 6 months…