GT4 RS
07-27-2015, 02:48 AM
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07-27-2015, 11:31 AM
#78
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I appreciate the thoughts but I didn't really think I was defending anything. I was just chatting about the PDK.
07-27-2015, 11:34 AM
#79
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It's a shame you don't like targas. I found an absolutely spectacular '83 with 23k mi on it. Showroom condition car. If I didn't have both my SuperCup and my 74 currently at the body shop I would have grabbed the thing for myself. It's all the money but a totally perfect SC.
07-27-2015, 11:35 AM
#80
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With Porsche production schedules I don't see how there can be a gt4rs in current chassis made? The cayman is due for a refresh like the 991 this fall for the 2017 model. Porsche usually doesn't come out with an RS model until well into the new model. My bet is we will see a 981.2 gt4 before a gt4rs.
07-27-2015, 12:45 PM
#81
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GT4 RS
Surprises me when dealers take a deposit for a car which hasn't been announced.. Is that a tacit understanding that they know it's coming, or just a way to interact with a customer?
07-27-2015, 01:19 PM
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Unfortunately in the current Porsche world this is the only way to get new limited model Porsches. Most dealers don't know anything more than what's on this board.
07-27-2015, 01:38 PM
#83
Nordschleife Master
I think it is the latter. It gives them a portfoliio of potential customers. When the cars don't get made they can try to put them in something else. Or if they take a trade in on something that may be similar or of interest they can ring them up and offer them the other car. Never hurts to have a large call list of possibles.
07-27-2015, 03:01 PM
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I think it is the latter. It gives them a portfoliio of potential customers. When the cars don't get made they can try to put them in something else. Or if they take a trade in on something that may be similar or of interest they can ring them up and offer them the other car. Never hurts to have a large call list of possibles.
07-28-2015, 03:35 AM
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demand vs supply.
if that delta is small, it will work.
if you beg all the time and never get it, you will stop begging and buy bmw.
it's very simple, no major science
i practice on my kids. they always ask me if they can watch Tv, my answer is ALWAYS NO, and if they ask, i assume the are bored thus i give them more homework and house chore to do. they stopped asking me for tv. they ask mom.
GT4 is an attempt to grow PAG and get bimmerheads and dumb audi drivers (sorry, after the first real quattro, they made nothing worthy) into the brand. they are not used to this begging joke. they will leave and compound that with when janet yellen pumps the fed fund rate up 1 pt. PAG hahahaha. take a look at greece.
if the low supply was a strategy, they should get a copy of suntzu's art of war and read it again.
if the low supply was miscalculation.... that's a major mistake, like oops i leaned too far foward and the nuke is half way to china now, that big of a mistake.
someon at PAG should figure it out... it's getting a tad tiresome.
if that delta is small, it will work.
if you beg all the time and never get it, you will stop begging and buy bmw.
it's very simple, no major science
i practice on my kids. they always ask me if they can watch Tv, my answer is ALWAYS NO, and if they ask, i assume the are bored thus i give them more homework and house chore to do. they stopped asking me for tv. they ask mom.
GT4 is an attempt to grow PAG and get bimmerheads and dumb audi drivers (sorry, after the first real quattro, they made nothing worthy) into the brand. they are not used to this begging joke. they will leave and compound that with when janet yellen pumps the fed fund rate up 1 pt. PAG hahahaha. take a look at greece.
if the low supply was a strategy, they should get a copy of suntzu's art of war and read it again.
if the low supply was miscalculation.... that's a major mistake, like oops i leaned too far foward and the nuke is half way to china now, that big of a mistake.
someon at PAG should figure it out... it's getting a tad tiresome.
07-28-2015, 05:48 AM
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demand vs supply.
if that delta is small, it will work.
if you beg all the time and never get it, you will stop begging and buy bmw.
it's very simple, no major science
i practice on my kids. they always ask me if they can watch Tv, my answer is ALWAYS NO, and if they ask, i assume the are bored thus i give them more homework and house chore to do. they stopped asking me for tv. they ask mom.
GT4 is an attempt to grow PAG and get bimmerheads and dumb audi drivers (sorry, after the first real quattro, they made nothing worthy) into the brand. they are not used to this begging joke. they will leave and compound that with when janet yellen pumps the fed fund rate up 1 pt. PAG hahahaha. take a look at greece.
if the low supply was a strategy, they should get a copy of suntzu's art of war and read it again.
if the low supply was miscalculation.... that's a major mistake, like oops i leaned too far foward and the nuke is half way to china now, that big of a mistake.
someon at PAG should figure it out... it's getting a tad tiresome.
if that delta is small, it will work.
if you beg all the time and never get it, you will stop begging and buy bmw.
it's very simple, no major science
i practice on my kids. they always ask me if they can watch Tv, my answer is ALWAYS NO, and if they ask, i assume the are bored thus i give them more homework and house chore to do. they stopped asking me for tv. they ask mom.
GT4 is an attempt to grow PAG and get bimmerheads and dumb audi drivers (sorry, after the first real quattro, they made nothing worthy) into the brand. they are not used to this begging joke. they will leave and compound that with when janet yellen pumps the fed fund rate up 1 pt. PAG hahahaha. take a look at greece.
if the low supply was a strategy, they should get a copy of suntzu's art of war and read it again.
if the low supply was miscalculation.... that's a major mistake, like oops i leaned too far foward and the nuke is half way to china now, that big of a mistake.
someon at PAG should figure it out... it's getting a tad tiresome.
07-28-2015, 03:04 PM
#87
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There are a lot of tire kickers though. Or circumstances change for people. Otherwise you wouldn't hear about people in the 20-something position at their dealer getting an allocation.
07-28-2015, 04:00 PM
#88
Some in Porsche seem to have missed the fact that the sports car market has split- it seems to me there is a faction that wants capability and comfort, another that wants experience and involvement, and something of a no-mans land in between. If a GTS manual sees less spectacular sales than an S PDK, one might assume customers think the GTS manual is too hardcore and expensive. True for some, but it's also not hard enough to appeal to another group of buyers, and the GT4 successfully bridged the gap.
The 981 line has spare capacity that the GT4 and Spyder were designed to fill, but it has no where near as much capacity as there is demand. Which creates the silly situation we're in now. The good news is that Porsche is capable of learning from their mistakes, particularly when money is involved... Question is, will they up production, or the price?
Last edited by Petevb; 07-28-2015 at 09:59 PM.
07-28-2015, 04:26 PM
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07-28-2015, 04:37 PM
#90
It was a mistake. There was disagreement within the company: one faction saw the GT4 as a more expensive version (-1) of a slow selling car (-2) in manual only (-3), and decided they wouldn't sell. Another group disagreed, but were out-voted. Good news for us- they probably should have jacked up the price by 10k.
Some in Porsche seem to have missed the fact that the sports car market has split- it seems to me there is a faction that wants capability and comfort, another that wants experience and involvement, and something of a no-mans land in between. If a GTS manual sees less spectacular sales than an S PDK, one might assume customers think the GTS manual it too hardcore. True for some, but it's also not hard enough to appeal to another group of buyers, and the GT4 successfully bridged the gap.
The 981 line has spare capacity that the GT4 and Spyder were designed to fill, but it has no where near as much capacity as there is demand. Which creates the silly situation we're in now. The good news is that Porsche is capable of learning from their mistakes. When money is involved, anyway... Question is, will they up production, or the price?
Some in Porsche seem to have missed the fact that the sports car market has split- it seems to me there is a faction that wants capability and comfort, another that wants experience and involvement, and something of a no-mans land in between. If a GTS manual sees less spectacular sales than an S PDK, one might assume customers think the GTS manual it too hardcore. True for some, but it's also not hard enough to appeal to another group of buyers, and the GT4 successfully bridged the gap.
The 981 line has spare capacity that the GT4 and Spyder were designed to fill, but it has no where near as much capacity as there is demand. Which creates the silly situation we're in now. The good news is that Porsche is capable of learning from their mistakes. When money is involved, anyway... Question is, will they up production, or the price?
From a performance, components standpoint, like Petev said, the GT4 is a bargain.