Will Porsche ever walk back it commitment to hybridization/electrification?
06-08-2024, 11:42 PM
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I'm not anti-EV. Just anti 'EV is the answer'.
And what happens to the Taycan after the warranty is out at 100K miles? Exactly my point.
And what happens to the Taycan after the warranty is out at 100K miles? Exactly my point.
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06-09-2024, 12:07 AM
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It keeps on going with almost zero maintenance costs and having well and truly paid for itself compared with the Panamera equivalent. Taycans are exceptional value in the used market right now.
06-09-2024, 12:20 AM
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I live in Pennsylvania. We're not the sunbelt.
My QCell panels are made in the USA, in Georgia to be exact.
The efficiency leaps in recent years are substantial -- mine are more efficient than the neighbors panels just installed a couple years ago.
Thanks to net metering, you don't need batteries to "really make it effective". You're only paying for the difference between what you take from the grid and put back into the grid.
With a mix of clouds and sunshine, we've made over 500kWh just this week. Yes, they even work on cloudy and rainy days -- less power, but you're always making power. With the A/C running and 3 EVs charged, our last electric bill was less than $50 and this month, we're trending for a bill credit. Yes, our electric bill will be negative, in July, with the A/C on full blast. Oh, and we're not paying for gasoline for the daily drivers.
ROI for our install was targeted for 6-10 years and we're trending to 6, after that the system has paid for itself and it's all sugar. The 30% tax credit is a no brainer. We also get SREC payments for each 1mW that we generate.
My QCell panels are made in the USA, in Georgia to be exact.
The efficiency leaps in recent years are substantial -- mine are more efficient than the neighbors panels just installed a couple years ago.
Thanks to net metering, you don't need batteries to "really make it effective". You're only paying for the difference between what you take from the grid and put back into the grid.
With a mix of clouds and sunshine, we've made over 500kWh just this week. Yes, they even work on cloudy and rainy days -- less power, but you're always making power. With the A/C running and 3 EVs charged, our last electric bill was less than $50 and this month, we're trending for a bill credit. Yes, our electric bill will be negative, in July, with the A/C on full blast. Oh, and we're not paying for gasoline for the daily drivers.
ROI for our install was targeted for 6-10 years and we're trending to 6, after that the system has paid for itself and it's all sugar. The 30% tax credit is a no brainer. We also get SREC payments for each 1mW that we generate.
This our experience almost exactly. The only difference is that because our utility SDG&E charges such high rates our ROI was last March on a system installed three years prior.
I grew up just south of detansinn right about where PA/MD & DEL all come together in the southeast corner of Pennsylvania. My memories rarely involve seriously overcast inclement weather for more than two or three days at a time. Plenty of sunshine to support a home solar system.
I grew up just south of detansinn right about where PA/MD & DEL all come together in the southeast corner of Pennsylvania. My memories rarely involve seriously overcast inclement weather for more than two or three days at a time. Plenty of sunshine to support a home solar system.
So basically they two gentlemen above are travelling free so they are saving $3-$5k on petrol per year.
I have always been wondering why this is not mentioned in RL in all the anti EV discussions. If you can get net metering then an EV makes a lot of sense.
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06-09-2024, 12:27 AM
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06-09-2024, 12:42 AM
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That's why they are replacing batteries on them already? Literally happening at my dealer when I was there. Sure, under warranty, but what happens when warranty runs out?
06-09-2024, 01:07 AM
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06-09-2024, 10:11 AM
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The consumer has spoken. They want ICE sports cars, period. You can try to wow me with stats and figures, and that’s fine when it comes to a daily driver. But when it comes to a sports car, we buy with our heart, not our mind. And ICE wins by a landslide:
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/...y?id=110857241
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/...y?id=110857241
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06-09-2024, 11:47 AM
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The consumer has spoken. They want ICE sports cars, period. You can try to wow me with stats and figures, and that’s fine when it comes to a daily driver. But when it comes to a sports car, we buy with our heart, not our mind. And ICE wins by a landslide:
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/...y?id=110857241
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/...y?id=110857241
EVs have their place but the elimination of gasoline/diesel/natural gas powered vehicles is decades not years away.
06-09-2024, 11:55 AM
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The thing is that we are so early on in this ev cycle that in 10 years they could make a car that feels, sounds, and drives like a petrol car but is all electric. While it may seem unlikely today I’m sure someone down the road will make it happen, especially as car enthusiasts will be around for as long as cars are available to purchase. I don’t know how the tech would work but I bet it’s possible heck we made nuclear weapons, mobile computers autonomous driving. Put enough money and focus on it and it will happen.
06-09-2024, 12:19 PM
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There always has been interest in hybrid Porsches dating back to 1893 with Ferdinand Porsche interest in electricity and development in 1900 of the “Semper Vivus” the world's first functional hybrid car……
06-09-2024, 12:27 PM
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How many of you EV haters have actually driven and lived with one for any period of time? I don’t mean a couple of days in a rental, I mean for a few weeks? Those of us here arguing their merits are pretty much all EV and ICE vehicle owners and have been for some time.
To me it’s a bit like introducing a kid to new foods. ‘No, no, no’….then taste it and ‘oh, that’s nice….’.
To me it’s a bit like introducing a kid to new foods. ‘No, no, no’….then taste it and ‘oh, that’s nice….’.
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06-09-2024, 01:18 PM
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How many of you EV haters have actually driven and lived with one for any period of time? I don’t mean a couple of days in a rental, I mean for a few weeks? Those of us here arguing their merits are pretty much all EV and ICE vehicle owners and have been for some time.
To me it’s a bit like introducing a kid to new foods. ‘No, no, no’….then taste it and ‘oh, that’s nice….’.
To me it’s a bit like introducing a kid to new foods. ‘No, no, no’….then taste it and ‘oh, that’s nice….’.
And don't assume what we have driven. I don't know about you, but if I drive a car and am not enjoying it, I'm not buying it to see if I'll enjoy it after a few weeks of ownership. LOL. What an argument you make.
06-09-2024, 01:21 PM
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No one here is an EV hater, yet you keep throwing that term at us. You're trolling.
And don't assume what we have driven. I don't know about you, but if I drive a car and am not enjoying it, I'm not buying it to see if I'll enjoy it after a few weeks of ownership. LOL. What an argument you make.
And don't assume what we have driven. I don't know about you, but if I drive a car and am not enjoying it, I'm not buying it to see if I'll enjoy it after a few weeks of ownership. LOL. What an argument you make.
06-09-2024, 01:22 PM
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