Originally Posted by NYG1121

Speed wars are over. An iconobox electric toyota will destroy ICE cars. Its not about speed anymore and manufacturers are missing this point in this segment. Bring emotion which will always sell. Think mechanical vs apple watch.

Originally Posted by NYG1121

Speed wars are over. . It's not about speed anymore and manufacturers are missing this point in this segment. .

Originally Posted by yrralis1

Transportation is only 29 percent of the pollution and it does not just include cars . Heavy duty trucks and buses are also included . Those heavy duty vehicles only comprise 4 percent of thew road yet emit 25 percent of vehicle pollution . Next in line is residential and commercial which comprises MORE than vehicles (31 percent ) . Industry is yet another 30 percent and agriculture makes up the last 10 percent .

Yet when it comes to the forced feeding it's thrown at the individual by legislators who are driving enthusiasts . Mind you that just to build the infrasctrucre would require more pollution . How much more ? It depends how far legislators want to go . Keep in mind that all of us are adults so the time to accomplish anything significant might just outlive us . By then there will be something else to fixate on .

Originally Posted by Bluehighways

For the EV deniers please look up the word "Luddite." Also please do a bit of research. Even if you're electrical utility is coal fired, the total CO2 emissions per mile will be far less than operating an ICE powered vehicle. Don't even start with the costs of maintenance. An EV needs tires and wiper blades. So far, folks are reliably getting well over 200,000 miles with only a 12% loss of range out of the early Tesla batteries. Don't knock it, look it up. You have a computer if you're on line here. Don't take the Woke perspective at its face value, use Google and educate yourself. Opinions are bankrupt without some real world experience.
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We have a 31 panel solar array. It runs our house, our EV and our Plug-in Hybrid (which rarely sees a gas station because of its 30+ mile electric only capability) AND now is generating a small income from SDG&E. In a bit over 3 years it has returned 100% of my investment and since last March I'm now ahead of that game for what is estimated to be another 17 years of 90%+ of their original production.
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I am really hoping that the replacement Cayman EV is everything the ICE Cayman has been, except that it's 100% electric. If it is, I'm a buyer.
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Once you've had an EV, for about a year or so, you honestly begin to wonder why you'd ever buy an ICE powered car or truck ever again. I really like my 992 C2S and my ICE powered motorcycles, but they really are yesterdays news.
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The engineering behind the 2025 GTS drive-train is nice. However, it's nothing new. At one time I had a 2006 Honda Civic Hybrid, that got me in the carpool lane and I drove the wheels off of it. Same engineering design in every way . . . except for the ICE engines power output and the Honda had a smaller Battery: 1.05 kWh vs 1.9 kWh in the GTS. So the GTS is, for me, a nothing new here, please move right along, next customer, been there and done that, sort of thing.
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FWIW the cheapest Premium Gasoline around here is $4.99/Gallon at Costco. My electrical cost is negative $$$, it's a profit center for me.

Originally Posted by NYG1121

Speed wars are over. An iconobox electric toyota will destroy ICE cars. Its not about speed anymore and manufacturers are missing this point in this segment. Bring emotion which will always sell. Think mechanical vs apple watch.

Originally Posted by rk-d

My Defender is an MHEV but you'd hardly know it during operation or in the way it's marketed. The fact that the 911 is now an MHEV is really not that big a deal.

100 something pound penalty is a bummer, but only barely noticeable on cars with even power and on a car with more power and greater responsiveness - will likely not be noticeable at all.

I would not be shocked to hear that the new one ends up feeling like a faster, quicker feeling version of the same car. I think the big philosophical transition was moving away from NA to FI, not adding on an MHEV unit. Once people get real miles on the new car, I'm going to bet they quickly forget the old FI motor. I'm looking forward to checking it out.

Originally Posted by aggie57

I suspect the real game changer for Porsche in the EV space will be the next Boxster/Cayman. Pretty sure it’ll make most of the current 911 range (the non-GT ones anyway) feel very old overnight.

Originally Posted by 96redLT4

Long time Carrera owner here. I thought it was interesting in the official video where P introduces the 992.2 that they first introduced the non-hybrid base car and then proceeded to sell us on the merits of a far more powerful but heavier and far more complex hybrid variant as the wave of the future. It made me wonder whether they are 'testing the waters' with P enthusiasts to see what the uptake will be. The P Carrera ethos has always been about lightness, nimbleness and doing 'more with less'. Has hybridization/electrification already been decided for the sportiest cars, think GT department? Cramming technology and horsepower into ever heavier cars and then advertising via YouTubers in 1/4 mile and 1/2 mile rolling acceleration tests how 'good' your car is, well that just doesn't seem like the Porsche of old that has made racing history for so long. Thoughts??

Originally Posted by Risley

Short answer....No. Germans NEVER admit they F'd up. I've worked for 5 different German companies in 37 years. They're all EXACTLY the same. We all love what they develop for the most part, they do it better than most, but they make major mistakes just like everyone else, the only difference is that they're fiercely stubborn ****** that never admit they screwed up.

Originally Posted by aggie57

Yes, so 29% of the problem should be ignored? Trucks and buses are also going through the same pressures. And so is residential, commericial, and industry. I’m reminded of a certain US President who set a goal 1/2 a century ago not because it is easy, but because it is hard. No-one said weening humans off fossil fuels will be easy,

Originally Posted by jmrichards

As someone who spent 36 years in energy finance, all I can say is people who say things like this have no idea how much new power generation/distribution/retail infrastructure would be required to come anywhere close to the goals some countries/states have set. Oh, and the very same "greens" pushing these goals don't want anymore generation or new transmission lines to be built. Watch for more announcements like Mercedes that ICE cars will be around much longer. And also watch for more states to back away from the ludicrous California pledge to eliminate anything but EV cars.

Originally Posted by jmrichards

As someone who spent 36 years in energy finance, all I can say is people who say things like this have no idea how much new power generation/distribution/retail infrastructure would be required to come anywhere close to the goals some countries/states have set. Oh, and the very same "greens" pushing these goals don't want anymore generation or new transmission lines to be built. Watch for more announcements like Mercedes that ICE cars will be around much longer. And also watch for more states to back away from the ludicrous California pledge to eliminate anything but EV cars.

Originally Posted by aggie57

You mean like the infrastructure and industry that needed to be built and maintained to enable ICE vehicle use as we’ve known it for the last century? You’re right though, not everyone acknowledges the massive transformation needed; change is hardly ever easy, less so for some than others.

Originally Posted by yrralis1

Remember when the rest of the world went diesel ? Electrification has been a worldwide effort to skew data by a group of opportunists to mislead the average person into believing that they want to save polar bears , In the meantime they have done nothing to curtail other forms of pollution . Right now gas is cheap, and is readily available , and no one has done anything meaningful to implement an EV infrastructure . In fact even without mass EV look at places like Texas where a cold snap fried the system or California where a heat wave took out theirs . As it is the extra weight load of EV cars will chew up our roads and bridges but one one talks about that .

I have no issue buying an EV if it were a choice but that has not been the case .