Porsched

I agree. It will be very expensive. I also agree that Porsche is pricing out people. It's actually not just pricing out, but the value for money is off. I have a hard time justifying $90K for a Base 4-banger Cayman. And I love the Base "4-banger" Cayman. But at that price point you start having a lot of other options.

tonie90

Agreed, that is their intended goal when talking to anyone even remotely involved with the company. Their target markets and demographics have shifted dramatically. Greenwich, Beverly Hills, these are the people they want to cater too. In their investor deck from just last month they are pushing more luxury and lifestyle brand vs. car company.

At the end of the day as other posters have said, I hear 80K starting, likely ending up around 110-120K with options.

Also keep in mind the average transaction price on a carerra S now is 180K. Another 10% hike in prices later this year and Q1 next year and your at 200K for a carerra S by end of 2025, early 2026 (with options). And the special models you have a lot of price collusions on markups between dealers. So expect 50K adm's on the GT cars again being the norm.

Right now you have people paying 10-20K over on macan EV's.

981KMAN

Oh Good! This makes me feel better that my 2024 $173K Carrera S, due in 65 days is not over spec for the market!

MXA121

It's really too bad. My last Cayman S stickered at $84k (in 2012 I admit), but it had a 330hp 6 cylinder, PCCB, and Carbon Buckets, so it felt worth it. Then 981 GTS prices were around $85k and worth it. But now it does seem off.

justince

While the porsche of 2004 was not the porsche of 2014, the porsche of 2024 is DEFINITELY not the porsche of 2014.

Give it another decade, it's just gonna be another BMW. Pretty convinced of that if they stay on their current track (lower quality/qc, larger volume, higher profit margins, more disconnects from motorsport)

tonie90

You're not the only one. Couple that with the dealer network becoming shadier than your local used auto lot. I sadly have a lot of stories but one that sticks out recently was someone walking in and wanting a GT3 (not uncommon) but after being presented with various hoops and stipulations to jump through in addition to a 50K donation to the dealership (ADM), they went across the street and bought a new McLaren and drove it home a day or two later.

Porsched

Yep. If their goal is now "lifestyle and whatever" and they don't want to be seen as "just" a car company then they are on track to become "just" another luxury brand. It might be very profitable though so it is what it is.

MXA121

The intro to this video comes to mind. (Throttle House 911 ST review)

Drifting

It’s just nuts. And quite relevant to the EV discussion as many more people will pay a premium for a weekend fun ICE car. I just don’t see that many people buying a new Boxster EV.

I don’t love the direction porsche is going as an “lifestyle” vs an Motorsport brand. and I’m not going to pay big bucks for a sports car that fails to deliver an emotional engrossing experience. I suppose I might not still be the type of owner any longer that Porsche prioritizes.

I plan to keep my 991.2 GT3 and incoming Spyder RS forever. Both cars are custom spec with European delivery. Many great memories.
Both are special and emotional to drive. However, besides my GT3/SRS I’m really not sure if I’ll ever purchase a new porsche again.

I wouldn’t completely rule out a preowned porsche EV, but I damn sure would not buy a new porsche EV.

and if I’m paying >200K for a car, unless it is the last of the era car (like the SRS), then I’m putting my money towards a true exotic, not Porsche.

Schn3ll

Unreal...basically an instant money disappearing trick. Meanwhile while handing over the deposits for the Macan EV, they are literally tripping over heavily discounted Taycan stacked up on the lot - basically a huge billboard in their faces saying "DON'T DO IT"

MXA121

Ignoring GT cars, since this 718 EV will be a base car only for now, the new 718 EV stands to appeal to many new buyers imo. A near maintenance free, sexy, fast, quiet, sports car may not be for the GT loving crowd (which seems to be the popular type here on Rennlist), but many others will want it regardless.

Keep in mind Porsche doesn't sell very many 718s at all. For this electric version to be a success, they only need to sell 25k units worldwide to be equivalent to their previous best results. They barely sell 5k units in the US per year and have been on an overall decline here.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...oxster-cayman/
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MaddMike

I'm wating for a Taycan wagon to come up on the secondary market for a good price. Those things (and all electric cars lately) have tanked.

Schn3ll

Before I bought my Taycan (new), I had a Cross Turismo on order, great looking car and more usability than the sedan for sure and I prefer it. If you can get one for $75k or less it's definitely worth it! Good luck, I think they look awesome.

TXshaggy

I’m sure there’s a general EV discussion thread in OT or Porsche General…let’s keep this reserved for 983 EV specific stuff.

981KMAN

I call BS.... Maybe there are a few morons out there that want to be the first on their block with the latest EV, but it's not the market. This is no waiting list or ADM in my area for a Macan EV.