TXshaggy

It was no more of a business decision as adding Gas Particulate Filters or changing PCCB pad composition were “business decisions”. It was mandated by governments.

IIRC the EU 2030 intermediate target was around 60% zero emissions and 2035 as 100%.

Schn3ll

Totally agree, I gave 2 BEV's a try (including a Taycan), hated them both.

On our 4th PHEV, never had a bad experience. Current Rav4 Prime gets over 50mpg (would be much more if it wasn't used on long road trips) and does 0-60 in 5.5 seconds with every creature comfort you can imagine (fully loaded XSE Premium). The pot was sweetened by the fact that I waited 2 weeks for the car (someone backed out of a car on the way), paid no markups, and got a lease deal that took $6,500 off the MSRP and then I just bought out the lease immediately so no interest was charged. A great, reliable, efficient Toyota hybrid for $47k OTD and I could sell it for more than I paid right now.

Compare that to a Benz EQS that loses 49% after 1 year of ownership (I know apples to oranges a bit, but the EV depreciation across the board is staggering)... I heard a story of an elderly couple who bought one for $135k sticker, drove it for 6 months and wanted to trade it in with 9k miles. The Benz dealer offered $60k. I am going to assume they won't be buying any more EV's.

https://www.motor1.com/news/714685/m...re%20E%2DClass.

MXA121

"EVs are never going to take off"
Best selling car in the world last year was electric.
Enjoy the view from under that rock.

ipse dixit

I think the Macan makes perfect sense for an EV.

Exhibit 1 is the Model Y, which is the best selling car in the world.

Who could blame Porsche for wanting in on some of that juice.

As to the 718, or really the entire Cayman/Boxster line, it just makes no sense in any iteration. ICE, BEV, PHEV, or whatever. It's an affectation, at worst, a niche product, at best.

Zhao

I'm a big fan of my EV but lets face it, the Model Y and model 3 are the best selling vehicles on the planet because they're pretty much the only EV's that make financials sense for what you get and because they are a gen or 2 ahead of the competition for 'EVness'. BMW has more ICE cars in production than I think there are real options for EVs from all other manufacturers too so it's not like there is a huge selection to pick from. I narrowed down my focus to telsa, an i4, and maybe a used Taycan in about 5 minuets flat when I was shopping for an EV.

When 10% of you population wants an EV (or whatever), and another 10% is ok with it if the price is right, and 2 cars significantly stand out above the rest for EVs, of course everyone is going to pick that over a bmw i7 or a Mazda whatever the heck their EV is. As far as I am concerned anyone buying a Hyundai Kona over a Model Y should probably get checked out for brain damage.

slivel

Yes, but the best selling model Y amounted to only 1.23 million out of approximately 90 million vehicles produced worldwide. Total EV worldwide production in 2023 was about 18% of total vehicle production.
Additionally, China accounts for 456,000 of the model Y's made. China is pushing EV's because they do not have much in the way of petroleum resources and do not want to be relying on imported oil. They have lots of coal to power the coal fired power plants that will charge those ev batteries.

Global EV Outlook 2023 – Analysis - IEA

Electric car sales are expected to continue strongly through 2023. Over 2.3 million electric cars were sold in the first quarter, about 25% more than in the same period last year. We currently expect to see 14 million in sales by the end of 2023, representing a 35% year-on-year increase with new purchases accelerating in the second half of this year. As a result, electric cars could account for 18% of total car sales across the full calendar year. National policies and incentives will help bolster sales, while a return to the exceptionally high oil prices seen last year could further motivate prospective buyers.

Larson E. Rapp

The Model Y works well for Tesla, but that doesn't mean that Porsche can sell the same thing for 2x-3x the price.

What will distinguish a Model Y from a Macan, at the end of the day? Marginally better handling, I guess...? With EVs, there is no longer much room for one powertrain to differentiate itself from another.

ldamelio

Troll.

TXshaggy

Is this rhetorical? Don’t think there’s anything in the P lineup you can’t say same thing.

People buy the P car…well because P car. ICE or EV…that won’t change.

Larson E. Rapp

There's really no reason why Toyota or Honda or BMW or GM couldn't have built my Macan. Those companies don't choose to prioritize weight savings, great handling, and thoughtful driver-centric controls, but it's not as if building a sporty crossover requires any secret or patented technology. There's nothing special about the Macan's powertrain unless you count its propensity for developing $15,000 oil leaks.

Those companies couldn't have built my 981S in a million years, though. That required inspiration if not outright magic. And there's no room for magic in EVs. You press the pedal, and your 4000-pound+ vehicle takes off like a raped ape, and a number on a range display ticks down a couple of notches, and maybe the guy in the next lane is 0.1 seconds ahead of you or behind you... but it doesn't matter.

UncleDude

Tesla is sitting on 45,000 cars, I think the competition gap has closed (and then some). They blew their advantage.

Zhao

I dunno, 45k isn't really that much. They produced over a million model Y's in 2023 alone so it's a minor miscalculation on demand. Even in oil country here their dealer lot is still pretty empty for Telsas so they're not really stacking up.

My 5 year old daughter plays count the teslas when we go out and she literally hit over 80 on the highway on our trip back to Kelowna a few weeks ago. I didn't take ours because it was mostly zero degrees at that time which hurts range and it was projecting arriving at charging stations in the 10-15% range so I took our SUV so I assume a lot of other EV owners chose to not take their EVs also. I only saw a few hyundai EV's on the highway and a IX, nothing else for other EVs.

In the city I see hyundai making good ground with EV sales and they seem to be #2 from what I see on the road. BMW is #2 or #3 for my guess. But it is very very rare I see anything else and it is still rare to see a EV bmw or hyundai. I think Teslas improvements on quality with the chinese built ones is helping sales. I know I just recommended a racing buddy pull the trigger on one yesterday because my chinese built one is leaps and bounds above the US built ones I've seen and I really have no major complaints with it for the price.

dichael

Former Oregonian here who spent time in BC back in the day. Kelowna didn't ring a bell for me so I looked up - I'll have to put that on the list as a fun 4 hour road trip next time I'm around Vancouver... during the summer

UncleDude

I think you’re being kind there, the company is a dumpster fire right now. My casual observations see a company floundering with a nut case CEO, squandering a market they dominated with poor quality products and a stagnated line up of vehicles. Sure they’re ubiquitous, no denying that and no denying the amazing run they’ve had.

Larson E. Rapp

The Tesla board really needs to show Elon the door. It's hard to attract and retain key talent with a misguided missile in the CEO's chair, and I think the strain is starting to show. (Cybertruck, anyone?)