GRR - CEL Code @ 654 miles on new '21 Cayenne
01-24-2022, 08:17 PM
#301
If you can, pull the code to see if it is the same was the 2021s are seeing.
2022 also here and I've had a few CELs that go away. Sometimes the code reader doesn't pull anything even though the CEL is on and eventually after a couple of starts it goes away. Usually is happens after charging. One time, a code did code through and it was P0562 - System Voltage Low.
2022 also here and I've had a few CELs that go away. Sometimes the code reader doesn't pull anything even though the CEL is on and eventually after a couple of starts it goes away. Usually is happens after charging. One time, a code did code through and it was P0562 - System Voltage Low.
01-25-2022, 05:48 PM
#302
Take it into Bellevue or Tacoma. I've taken mine to both and both have said this is waiting on a software fix. I have a different code than yours though. But then again, I have thrown different codes in the past.
01-31-2022, 08:24 PM
#303
Did you have your dealer check what U0141 was for? I just pulled that code. Wondering if it is related to U0122.
02-01-2022, 02:18 AM
#304
Burning Brakes
For those of you who've noted your CEL issues in this thread (and who have not already done so), please state whether you have the 3.6- or the 7.2-kW onboard charger. I may have missed something, but I've not noticed that anybody with the base 3.6-kW charger has had this problem.
As for the discussion about why get the Cayenne E-Hybrid: like Dave (and others here), I'm done with buying vehicles that lack a plug, for all the obvious reasons. I have gotten rid of my 2018 Panamera 4 E-Hybrid, which I liked but was too impractical (and had the smaller 14-kWh battery pack that was too frustrating because of my inability to drive round-trip to work on electric-only). I need something with more ground clearance and a little more interior space -- so reluctantly SUVs. My wife drives a RAV4 Prime, which is great because it consistently gets 50 miles of all-electric driving around town (speeds < 45 mph), as her daily driver. Toyotas are not my cup of tea; we've also long had Volvos and Porsches. We both do long road trips to see family across the US, sometimes together and sometimes separately, so we're not ready for BEVs yet due to the public-charging infrastructure being so poor in the places we go (upper midwest, especially). Plus, there are so many early hiccups with all the "early" BEVs that I'm just ready to wait a couple more years before getting one (I'm not into Teslas). So, one more PHEV for me, and then full BEV is the plan in 3-4 yr. I came super-close to buying a Cross Turismo with the offroad-design package that a local dealer had here about 6 weeks ago, but couldn't quite do it (yet ... it's still on my future-plans list).
I wasn't looking at Volvo until recently, when they upgraded their PHEV battery packs to 18.8 kWh (just coming to US dealerships in the coming month or two now), which suddenly puts them in the running for me to get an XC60 T8 PHEV (with the Cayenne E-Hybrid as its only competition in my mind). There have been some issues with Volvo T8 SUVs, as well, but nothing as consistent as this CEL issue (and the common infotainment-screen problems) in the Cayenne E-Hybrid ... which makes me pause on the Cayenne and think more about the Volvo XC60. The other thing that I'm looking at (not easily) is what the actual "around town" all-electric range is in the current (17.8-kWh battery) Cayenne -- not easy because so few people seem interested to provide this figure. Unfortunately, these vehicles are not available for test-driving these days, with the chip shortage meaning that they tend to be sold before they arrive at dealerships. One YouTube car reviewer (MotoMan, I think) said he only got 15 miles of all-electric driving in the new Cayenne before the ICE kicked in, but I think he broke his own rule and started driving hills around L.A.; I want to hear what people are getting in local driving in terms of full all-electric driving range from full charge to depleted at driving speeds < 45 mph and on fairly level driving (i.e., not more than 100 feet of elevation changes) -- which is the most typical driving that I do (and I suspect most drivers do) in their daily commutes. There are some early reports that the XC60 "extended-range" PHEV (18.8-kWh battery) is getting 30 miles of all-electric driving easily; if the Cayenne can't do that, it may lose out.
And then there's Oliver Blume's report at the 2021 annual press conference last year that all E-Hybrids will soon be upgraded to have 80 km (50 miles) of all-electric range -- indicating that Porsche HQ understands that people don't just buy E-Hybrids for "performance" but also for driving in E-Power mode for their local driving. I have written to Porsche Stuttgart and dialogued with Porsche Atlanta, asking them when the upgrade will happen; I've gotten responses from both, but they're just the polite "thank you for your email", and "we'll put out the news when we have it". If I knew that Porsche was putting out an E-Hybrid for MY2023 with a 25- to 28-kWh battery pack (which is roughly what it would take for 80 km of electric range), I'd wait for that, for sure -- hoping that the CEL issue (and infotainment problems) are ironed out by then. So I wait impatiently and continue to read these forums and online reviews/news to learn more about what's going on from owners, from reviewers (who get information from Porsche), and from Porsche ... and, of course, keeping in touch with Porsche dealerships to hear what they learn.
As for the discussion about why get the Cayenne E-Hybrid: like Dave (and others here), I'm done with buying vehicles that lack a plug, for all the obvious reasons. I have gotten rid of my 2018 Panamera 4 E-Hybrid, which I liked but was too impractical (and had the smaller 14-kWh battery pack that was too frustrating because of my inability to drive round-trip to work on electric-only). I need something with more ground clearance and a little more interior space -- so reluctantly SUVs. My wife drives a RAV4 Prime, which is great because it consistently gets 50 miles of all-electric driving around town (speeds < 45 mph), as her daily driver. Toyotas are not my cup of tea; we've also long had Volvos and Porsches. We both do long road trips to see family across the US, sometimes together and sometimes separately, so we're not ready for BEVs yet due to the public-charging infrastructure being so poor in the places we go (upper midwest, especially). Plus, there are so many early hiccups with all the "early" BEVs that I'm just ready to wait a couple more years before getting one (I'm not into Teslas). So, one more PHEV for me, and then full BEV is the plan in 3-4 yr. I came super-close to buying a Cross Turismo with the offroad-design package that a local dealer had here about 6 weeks ago, but couldn't quite do it (yet ... it's still on my future-plans list).
I wasn't looking at Volvo until recently, when they upgraded their PHEV battery packs to 18.8 kWh (just coming to US dealerships in the coming month or two now), which suddenly puts them in the running for me to get an XC60 T8 PHEV (with the Cayenne E-Hybrid as its only competition in my mind). There have been some issues with Volvo T8 SUVs, as well, but nothing as consistent as this CEL issue (and the common infotainment-screen problems) in the Cayenne E-Hybrid ... which makes me pause on the Cayenne and think more about the Volvo XC60. The other thing that I'm looking at (not easily) is what the actual "around town" all-electric range is in the current (17.8-kWh battery) Cayenne -- not easy because so few people seem interested to provide this figure. Unfortunately, these vehicles are not available for test-driving these days, with the chip shortage meaning that they tend to be sold before they arrive at dealerships. One YouTube car reviewer (MotoMan, I think) said he only got 15 miles of all-electric driving in the new Cayenne before the ICE kicked in, but I think he broke his own rule and started driving hills around L.A.; I want to hear what people are getting in local driving in terms of full all-electric driving range from full charge to depleted at driving speeds < 45 mph and on fairly level driving (i.e., not more than 100 feet of elevation changes) -- which is the most typical driving that I do (and I suspect most drivers do) in their daily commutes. There are some early reports that the XC60 "extended-range" PHEV (18.8-kWh battery) is getting 30 miles of all-electric driving easily; if the Cayenne can't do that, it may lose out.
And then there's Oliver Blume's report at the 2021 annual press conference last year that all E-Hybrids will soon be upgraded to have 80 km (50 miles) of all-electric range -- indicating that Porsche HQ understands that people don't just buy E-Hybrids for "performance" but also for driving in E-Power mode for their local driving. I have written to Porsche Stuttgart and dialogued with Porsche Atlanta, asking them when the upgrade will happen; I've gotten responses from both, but they're just the polite "thank you for your email", and "we'll put out the news when we have it". If I knew that Porsche was putting out an E-Hybrid for MY2023 with a 25- to 28-kWh battery pack (which is roughly what it would take for 80 km of electric range), I'd wait for that, for sure -- hoping that the CEL issue (and infotainment problems) are ironed out by then. So I wait impatiently and continue to read these forums and online reviews/news to learn more about what's going on from owners, from reviewers (who get information from Porsche), and from Porsche ... and, of course, keeping in touch with Porsche dealerships to hear what they learn.
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02-01-2022, 03:43 AM
#305
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For those of you who've noted your CEL issues in this thread (and who have not already done so), please state whether you have the 3.6- or the 7.2-kW onboard charger. I may have missed something, but I've not noticed that anybody with the base 3.6-kW charger has had this problem.
As for the discussion about why get the Cayenne E-Hybrid: like Dave (and others here), I'm done with buying vehicles that lack a plug, for all the obvious reasons. I have gotten rid of my 2018 Panamera 4 E-Hybrid, which I liked but was too impractical (and had the smaller 14-kWh battery pack that was too frustrating because of my inability to drive round-trip to work on electric-only). I need something with more ground clearance and a little more interior space -- so reluctantly SUVs. My wife drives a RAV4 Prime, which is great because it consistently gets 50 miles of all-electric driving around town (speeds < 45 mph), as her daily driver. Toyotas are not my cup of tea; we've also long had Volvos and Porsches. We both do long road trips to see family across the US, sometimes together and sometimes separately, so we're not ready for BEVs yet due to the public-charging infrastructure being so poor in the places we go (upper midwest, especially). Plus, there are so many early hiccups with all the "early" BEVs that I'm just ready to wait a couple more years before getting one (I'm not into Teslas). So, one more PHEV for me, and then full BEV is the plan in 3-4 yr. I came super-close to buying a Cross Turismo with the offroad-design package that a local dealer had here about 6 weeks ago, but couldn't quite do it (yet ... it's still on my future-plans list).
I wasn't looking at Volvo until recently, when they upgraded their PHEV battery packs to 18.8 kWh (just coming to US dealerships in the coming month or two now), which suddenly puts them in the running for me to get an XC60 T8 PHEV (with the Cayenne E-Hybrid as its only competition in my mind). There have been some issues with Volvo T8 SUVs, as well, but nothing as consistent as this CEL issue (and the common infotainment-screen problems) in the Cayenne E-Hybrid ... which makes me pause on the Cayenne and think more about the Volvo XC60. The other thing that I'm looking at (not easily) is what the actual "around town" all-electric range is in the current (17.8-kWh battery) Cayenne -- not easy because so few people seem interested to provide this figure. Unfortunately, these vehicles are not available for test-driving these days, with the chip shortage meaning that they tend to be sold before they arrive at dealerships. One YouTube car reviewer (MotoMan, I think) said he only got 15 miles of all-electric driving in the new Cayenne before the ICE kicked in, but I think he broke his own rule and started driving hills around L.A.; I want to hear what people are getting in local driving in terms of full all-electric driving range from full charge to depleted at driving speeds < 45 mph and on fairly level driving (i.e., not more than 100 feet of elevation changes) -- which is the most typical driving that I do (and I suspect most drivers do) in their daily commutes. There are some early reports that the XC60 "extended-range" PHEV (18.8-kWh battery) is getting 30 miles of all-electric driving easily; if the Cayenne can't do that, it may lose out.
And then there's Oliver Blume's report at the 2021 annual press conference last year that all E-Hybrids will soon be upgraded to have 80 km (50 miles) of all-electric range -- indicating that Porsche HQ understands that people don't just buy E-Hybrids for "performance" but also for driving in E-Power mode for their local driving. I have written to Porsche Stuttgart and dialogued with Porsche Atlanta, asking them when the upgrade will happen; I've gotten responses from both, but they're just the polite "thank you for your email", and "we'll put out the news when we have it". If I knew that Porsche was putting out an E-Hybrid for MY2023 with a 25- to 28-kWh battery pack (which is roughly what it would take for 80 km of electric range), I'd wait for that, for sure -- hoping that the CEL issue (and infotainment problems) are ironed out by then. So I wait impatiently and continue to read these forums and online reviews/news to learn more about what's going on from owners, from reviewers (who get information from Porsche), and from Porsche ... and, of course, keeping in touch with Porsche dealerships to hear what they learn.
As for the discussion about why get the Cayenne E-Hybrid: like Dave (and others here), I'm done with buying vehicles that lack a plug, for all the obvious reasons. I have gotten rid of my 2018 Panamera 4 E-Hybrid, which I liked but was too impractical (and had the smaller 14-kWh battery pack that was too frustrating because of my inability to drive round-trip to work on electric-only). I need something with more ground clearance and a little more interior space -- so reluctantly SUVs. My wife drives a RAV4 Prime, which is great because it consistently gets 50 miles of all-electric driving around town (speeds < 45 mph), as her daily driver. Toyotas are not my cup of tea; we've also long had Volvos and Porsches. We both do long road trips to see family across the US, sometimes together and sometimes separately, so we're not ready for BEVs yet due to the public-charging infrastructure being so poor in the places we go (upper midwest, especially). Plus, there are so many early hiccups with all the "early" BEVs that I'm just ready to wait a couple more years before getting one (I'm not into Teslas). So, one more PHEV for me, and then full BEV is the plan in 3-4 yr. I came super-close to buying a Cross Turismo with the offroad-design package that a local dealer had here about 6 weeks ago, but couldn't quite do it (yet ... it's still on my future-plans list).
I wasn't looking at Volvo until recently, when they upgraded their PHEV battery packs to 18.8 kWh (just coming to US dealerships in the coming month or two now), which suddenly puts them in the running for me to get an XC60 T8 PHEV (with the Cayenne E-Hybrid as its only competition in my mind). There have been some issues with Volvo T8 SUVs, as well, but nothing as consistent as this CEL issue (and the common infotainment-screen problems) in the Cayenne E-Hybrid ... which makes me pause on the Cayenne and think more about the Volvo XC60. The other thing that I'm looking at (not easily) is what the actual "around town" all-electric range is in the current (17.8-kWh battery) Cayenne -- not easy because so few people seem interested to provide this figure. Unfortunately, these vehicles are not available for test-driving these days, with the chip shortage meaning that they tend to be sold before they arrive at dealerships. One YouTube car reviewer (MotoMan, I think) said he only got 15 miles of all-electric driving in the new Cayenne before the ICE kicked in, but I think he broke his own rule and started driving hills around L.A.; I want to hear what people are getting in local driving in terms of full all-electric driving range from full charge to depleted at driving speeds < 45 mph and on fairly level driving (i.e., not more than 100 feet of elevation changes) -- which is the most typical driving that I do (and I suspect most drivers do) in their daily commutes. There are some early reports that the XC60 "extended-range" PHEV (18.8-kWh battery) is getting 30 miles of all-electric driving easily; if the Cayenne can't do that, it may lose out.
And then there's Oliver Blume's report at the 2021 annual press conference last year that all E-Hybrids will soon be upgraded to have 80 km (50 miles) of all-electric range -- indicating that Porsche HQ understands that people don't just buy E-Hybrids for "performance" but also for driving in E-Power mode for their local driving. I have written to Porsche Stuttgart and dialogued with Porsche Atlanta, asking them when the upgrade will happen; I've gotten responses from both, but they're just the polite "thank you for your email", and "we'll put out the news when we have it". If I knew that Porsche was putting out an E-Hybrid for MY2023 with a 25- to 28-kWh battery pack (which is roughly what it would take for 80 km of electric range), I'd wait for that, for sure -- hoping that the CEL issue (and infotainment problems) are ironed out by then. So I wait impatiently and continue to read these forums and online reviews/news to learn more about what's going on from owners, from reviewers (who get information from Porsche), and from Porsche ... and, of course, keeping in touch with Porsche dealerships to hear what they learn.
EV or Hybrid from here on out unless it’s special.
02-28-2022, 04:34 PM
#307
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no updates - still “pending” according to my Service Manager
02-28-2022, 04:39 PM
#308
RL Community Team
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Ditch the wife. Will be interesting to see how the Rivian R1S plays out once released. Looks good on paper - only time will tell.
02-28-2022, 04:41 PM
#309
How many months you have had the CEL on your car and Porsche service unable to resolve it?
02-28-2022, 04:59 PM
#310
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it will be better when this problem is fixed for the fleet.
02-28-2022, 05:24 PM
#311
Last edited by Stubbyatl; 02-28-2022 at 05:25 PM.
02-28-2022, 05:31 PM
#312
since purchase in April of 2021…I considered lemoning hte car, but ultimately getting a replacement and equivalent vehicle was not a clear option - in the mean time Porsche has provide generous consideration in exchange for me patiently waiting for the software update - utlimately it’s a joke this is an issue and confirms my bias that all car manufactures suck, and if you believe any of them are actually better than another you’re simply biased or not paying attention - but so far I’ve driven the car, love the car, tolerate the CEL until it’s fixed and got some meaningful accommodations from Porsche.
it will be better when this problem is fixed for the fleet.
it will be better when this problem is fixed for the fleet.
I have a Shelby GT350 with as of this posting 76,009 miles (not a typo). It has had 4 repairs total in its lifetime (3 of which were completely my fault). It's a $60,000 car and has been extremely reliable. I have had a F10 M5 that I have owned for 45,000 miles, it has had 1 mechanical failure. These are not typos. My GT3RS has been extremely bullet proof.
Last edited by 3-Pedals; 02-28-2022 at 05:33 PM.
02-28-2022, 05:39 PM
#313
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i’ve own several porsche’s since 2008
generally they are reliable, but no more reliable than other vehicles I’ve owned…my wife’s Boxster got a new PDK @ 3000 miles, my 911 GT3 has 3G issues with no parts insight, and my 997.2 GT3 had phantom engine shutdown issues prosche was _NEVER_ able to diagnose but ultimately resolve when we found a wiring harness was “resting” on the top of the motor and it would short out under heavy track use, but never fail in diagnosis at porsche service - once we addressed the wire harness the GT3 was 100% reliable, but came from the factory with a nearly undiagnosable problem.
My 2017 Model X had 52,000 miles when I sold it and zero issues since delivery - but it replaced a 2016 Model X that I made Tesla Lemon…
I’ve had relaible Tesla’s, unreliable Honda’s/Porsches/Lexus, great Chevy’s, and I drove a BMW off the lot and it needed a new motor and transmission 75 miles later that BMW took 3 months to execute…
I’ll spare you the details of porsche releasing the Taycan with software bugs, no actual OTA ability, and a vehicle that would drain it’s 12V battery such that the car is dead while it’s plugged into a 240V/40 amp power source, but can’t keep the 12V battery from dying…just name a few problems with the Taycan roll out.
you can not convince me any of these vendors are any good, they are great if there are no problems, but once you have problems they are all the same, and they all have problems.
generally they are reliable, but no more reliable than other vehicles I’ve owned…my wife’s Boxster got a new PDK @ 3000 miles, my 911 GT3 has 3G issues with no parts insight, and my 997.2 GT3 had phantom engine shutdown issues prosche was _NEVER_ able to diagnose but ultimately resolve when we found a wiring harness was “resting” on the top of the motor and it would short out under heavy track use, but never fail in diagnosis at porsche service - once we addressed the wire harness the GT3 was 100% reliable, but came from the factory with a nearly undiagnosable problem.
My 2017 Model X had 52,000 miles when I sold it and zero issues since delivery - but it replaced a 2016 Model X that I made Tesla Lemon…
I’ve had relaible Tesla’s, unreliable Honda’s/Porsches/Lexus, great Chevy’s, and I drove a BMW off the lot and it needed a new motor and transmission 75 miles later that BMW took 3 months to execute…
I’ll spare you the details of porsche releasing the Taycan with software bugs, no actual OTA ability, and a vehicle that would drain it’s 12V battery such that the car is dead while it’s plugged into a 240V/40 amp power source, but can’t keep the 12V battery from dying…just name a few problems with the Taycan roll out.
you can not convince me any of these vendors are any good, they are great if there are no problems, but once you have problems they are all the same, and they all have problems.
Last edited by daveo4porsche; 02-28-2022 at 05:41 PM.
02-28-2022, 06:50 PM
#314
03-14-2022, 02:04 PM
#315
Update
I have a pending vehicle inspection in May. It's my understanding -- confirmed by Porsche service manager -- that the CEL will present a problem in my state (PA.)
I called Porsche, and now have a case number. Curious to hear what they come back with, given that my $200k vehicle will be literally illegal to drive if I can't pass inspection.
Has anyone else been able to pass inspection despite this CEL issue?
I called Porsche, and now have a case number. Curious to hear what they come back with, given that my $200k vehicle will be literally illegal to drive if I can't pass inspection.
Has anyone else been able to pass inspection despite this CEL issue?