Diesel Cayenne and VW emission issue
01-09-2017, 03:23 PM
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That wasn't the case when we traded our '15 CD for a Macan last month. We gained @$3000 by waiting 3 months.
The values were (and are) still climbing. Seems to be a supply and demand (no supply) issue.
Some Dealers just hate diesels and will never have a real market for them. Others build a market and have waiting lists.
If you want to trade, find one one of the latter.
The values were (and are) still climbing. Seems to be a supply and demand (no supply) issue.
Some Dealers just hate diesels and will never have a real market for them. Others build a market and have waiting lists.
If you want to trade, find one one of the latter.
01-09-2017, 04:08 PM
#2657
That wasn't the case when we traded our '15 CD for a Macan last month. We gained @$3000 by waiting 3 months.
The values were (and are) still climbing. Seems to be a supply and demand (no supply) issue.
Some Dealers just hate diesels and will never have a real market for them. Others build a market and have waiting lists.
If you want to trade, find one one of the latter.
The values were (and are) still climbing. Seems to be a supply and demand (no supply) issue.
Some Dealers just hate diesels and will never have a real market for them. Others build a market and have waiting lists.
If you want to trade, find one one of the latter.
Maybe there are cases of dealers using it as an excuse to lowball a trade, only to mark it up on resale. The one I just bought, the dealer acquired because they knew I was looking for one.
01-09-2017, 05:10 PM
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My dealer said they don't come across diesels often, and when they do, they tend to go quickly.
Maybe there are cases of dealers using it as an excuse to lowball a trade, only to mark it up on resale. The one I just bought, the dealer acquired because they knew I was looking for one.
Maybe there are cases of dealers using it as an excuse to lowball a trade, only to mark it up on resale. The one I just bought, the dealer acquired because they knew I was looking for one.
I'd say 1 in 3 non TT/GTS 958s I see in my area are diesels and that doesn't account for ones I can't see the badging of.
01-09-2017, 05:29 PM
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If porsche offered 60k+ for my car as it sits now I'd take it in a heartbeat.
As great as the car is thats the financially prudent thing to do. What would replace it is another issue...
I really, really like this car.
As great as the car is thats the financially prudent thing to do. What would replace it is another issue...
I really, really like this car.
01-09-2017, 07:38 PM
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01-09-2017, 07:45 PM
#2661
And I have to say, I'd probably do the same.
I just bought my CD and frickin LOVE IT TO DEATH so far but to walk away with $60k would be tough to say "no" to.
I'd probably buy another Cayenne lol. Maybe find a leftover new '16 S, or track down a really low mileage used '15 diesel (just newer, lower miles, and more options than my current one).
01-09-2017, 09:34 PM
#2662
I seriously doubt there is going to be a huge windfall for any of this. A few thousand on top of normal depreciation isn't going to leave that much left for those of us with 13s and 14s with decent mileage on them. Even 40k isn't going to get me anything I like without adding a fair bit of $ on top of it...
01-10-2017, 10:21 AM
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That wasn't the case when we traded our '15 CD for a Macan last month. We gained @$3000 by waiting 3 months.
The values were (and are) still climbing. Seems to be a supply and demand (no supply) issue.
Some Dealers just hate diesels and will never have a real market for them. Others build a market and have waiting lists.
If you want to trade, find one one of the latter.
The values were (and are) still climbing. Seems to be a supply and demand (no supply) issue.
Some Dealers just hate diesels and will never have a real market for them. Others build a market and have waiting lists.
If you want to trade, find one one of the latter.
01-10-2017, 10:51 AM
#2665
Why do people have this belief of "I paid $XXX for my car and it's wrong they gave me a cheaper loaner!"? Especially when they only have it for a few hours or a couple of days?
Ooooohhhh you got stuck with a lowly Macan!
You poor thing! 
You want crap? In 2001/2002 my wife got stuck with a base Chevy that didn't even have a CD/Tape player in it for 3 months while the 996 was in the shop. That thing was a POS and a half, but our only complaint was that it would have been nice to have something better than AM/FM to listen too...
Maybe it's because I remember the days before loaner cars where you either had to sit and wait at the dealer or organize dropping it off and picking it up, but the entitlement of what people think is an inadequate loaner astounds me.
From a business perspective what sense does it make to fill your loaner fleet with $80k, $100, $1M (because the 918 owner is coming in sooner or later and god forbid they get an inferior loaner!!!) cars?
Ooooohhhh you got stuck with a lowly Macan!
You poor thing! You want crap? In 2001/2002 my wife got stuck with a base Chevy that didn't even have a CD/Tape player in it for 3 months while the 996 was in the shop. That thing was a POS and a half, but our only complaint was that it would have been nice to have something better than AM/FM to listen too...
Maybe it's because I remember the days before loaner cars where you either had to sit and wait at the dealer or organize dropping it off and picking it up, but the entitlement of what people think is an inadequate loaner astounds me.
From a business perspective what sense does it make to fill your loaner fleet with $80k, $100, $1M (because the 918 owner is coming in sooner or later and god forbid they get an inferior loaner!!!) cars?
01-10-2017, 12:19 PM
#2666
Why do people have this belief of "I paid $XXX for my car and it's wrong they gave me a cheaper loaner!"? Especially when they only have it for a few hours or a couple of days?
Ooooohhhh you got stuck with a lowly Macan! You poor thing!
You want crap? In 2001/2002 my wife got stuck with a base Chevy that didn't even have a CD/Tape player in it for 3 months while the 996 was in the shop. That thing was a POS and a half, but our only complaint was that it would have been nice to have something better than AM/FM to listen too...
Maybe it's because I remember the days before loaner cars where you either had to sit and wait at the dealer or organize dropping it off and picking it up, but the entitlement of what people think is an inadequate loaner astounds me.
From a business perspective what sense does it make to fill your loaner fleet with $80k, $100, $1M (because the 918 owner is coming in sooner or later and god forbid they get an inferior loaner!!!) cars?
Ooooohhhh you got stuck with a lowly Macan!
You poor thing! You want crap? In 2001/2002 my wife got stuck with a base Chevy that didn't even have a CD/Tape player in it for 3 months while the 996 was in the shop. That thing was a POS and a half, but our only complaint was that it would have been nice to have something better than AM/FM to listen too...
Maybe it's because I remember the days before loaner cars where you either had to sit and wait at the dealer or organize dropping it off and picking it up, but the entitlement of what people think is an inadequate loaner astounds me.
From a business perspective what sense does it make to fill your loaner fleet with $80k, $100, $1M (because the 918 owner is coming in sooner or later and god forbid they get an inferior loaner!!!) cars?
^^^ kind of in agreement here.
I'm happy I get a loaner at all - and a Porsche loaner at that! Honestly figured they'd just have an Enterprise on location and stick me in a basic Kia for $10/day. All I really care about is being able to get to/from where I need to go.
01-10-2017, 12:21 PM
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Why do people have this belief of "I paid $XXX for my car and it's wrong they gave me a cheaper loaner!"? Especially when they only have it for a few hours or a couple of days?
Ooooohhhh you got stuck with a lowly Macan! You poor thing!
You want crap? In 2001/2002 my wife got stuck with a base Chevy that didn't even have a CD/Tape player in it for 3 months while the 996 was in the shop. That thing was a POS and a half, but our only complaint was that it would have been nice to have something better than AM/FM to listen too...
Maybe it's because I remember the days before loaner cars where you either had to sit and wait at the dealer or organize dropping it off and picking it up, but the entitlement of what people think is an inadequate loaner astounds me.
From a business perspective what sense does it make to fill your loaner fleet with $80k, $100, $1M (because the 918 owner is coming in sooner or later and god forbid they get an inferior loaner!!!) cars?
Ooooohhhh you got stuck with a lowly Macan!
You poor thing! You want crap? In 2001/2002 my wife got stuck with a base Chevy that didn't even have a CD/Tape player in it for 3 months while the 996 was in the shop. That thing was a POS and a half, but our only complaint was that it would have been nice to have something better than AM/FM to listen too...
Maybe it's because I remember the days before loaner cars where you either had to sit and wait at the dealer or organize dropping it off and picking it up, but the entitlement of what people think is an inadequate loaner astounds me.
From a business perspective what sense does it make to fill your loaner fleet with $80k, $100, $1M (because the 918 owner is coming in sooner or later and god forbid they get an inferior loaner!!!) cars?
1. It's been in 10 days in a row now, not a couple of hours or a day. They are still trying to get even more parts.
2. Porsche / Audi recommends a loaner that's comparable, regardless of the "business case". They are paying for this. Haven't you seen their survey, they ask if a loaner was a "same class" vehicle.
3. With three kids, the Macan is an inconvenience, especially since it's been nearly 2 weeks. It will probably be 3 weeks.
4. The real point was that the Macan is crap.
01-10-2017, 12:23 PM
#2668
This whole loaner thing is off topic........Just Sayin. This forum needs a moderator. 
1. It's been in 10 days in a row now, not a couple of hours or a day. They are still trying to get even more parts.
2. Porsche / Audi recommends a loaner that's comparable, regardless of the "business case". They are paying for this. Haven't you seen their survery, they ask if a loaner was a "same class" vehicle.
3. With three kids, the Macan is an inconvenience, especially since it's been nearly 2 weeks. It will probably be 3 weeks.
4. The real point was that the Macan is crap.
2. Porsche / Audi recommends a loaner that's comparable, regardless of the "business case". They are paying for this. Haven't you seen their survery, they ask if a loaner was a "same class" vehicle.
3. With three kids, the Macan is an inconvenience, especially since it's been nearly 2 weeks. It will probably be 3 weeks.
4. The real point was that the Macan is crap.
01-10-2017, 12:32 PM
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I seriously doubt there is going to be a huge windfall for any of this. A few thousand on top of normal depreciation isn't going to leave that much left for those of us with 13s and 14s with decent mileage on them. Even 40k isn't going to get me anything I like without adding a fair bit of $ on top of it...
I just bought parts for the 40k service. will have my indy do it. for like 1/3 dealer cost.
01-10-2017, 01:39 PM
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1. It's been in 10 days in a row now, not a couple of hours or a day. They are still trying to get even more parts.
2. Porsche / Audi recommends a loaner that's comparable, regardless of the "business case". They are paying for this. Haven't you seen their survey, they ask if a loaner was a "same class" vehicle.
3. With three kids, the Macan is an inconvenience, especially since it's been nearly 2 weeks. It will probably be 3 weeks.
4. The real point was that the Macan is crap.
2. Porsche / Audi recommends a loaner that's comparable, regardless of the "business case". They are paying for this. Haven't you seen their survey, they ask if a loaner was a "same class" vehicle.
3. With three kids, the Macan is an inconvenience, especially since it's been nearly 2 weeks. It will probably be 3 weeks.
4. The real point was that the Macan is crap.
Regarding the Macan, it's a stunning small SUV, with better off-road capabilities than the Diesel Cayenne, significantly less turbo lag, and quieter than 2/3 of the Cayennes I have driven. It's a hoot to drive.
As an owner, you don't have to change oil every 5,000 miles while stewing over a possible windfall from PCNA for your CD.
We miss some aspects of our CD, but the quiet capabilities of the Macan and it's fun-to-drive quotient offset our losses.