Diesel Cayenne and VW emission issue
11-20-2016, 09:44 PM
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11-20-2016, 10:47 PM
#2043
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11-21-2016, 01:32 PM
#2044
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f4plt...know the same dealer and we've met before. Had an 09 C4S launch edition car at the time and was stationed at Lackland AFB. I think sometime the inventory at the SA dealer is affected by its close proximity to the border. Laredo, Tx is less than an hours drive from the border and have been in that dealership many times where a majority of the clientele were dual border folks buying Porsches. Asked my SA and the GM what was up and they said they have alot of folks buying cars who live in Mexico and move their families up north to avoid violence, better schools, etc...and have Mexican passports but their business are south of the border. They then take the cars back across the border for travel and business. Diesels are still heavily used south of the border and gas is cheaper. May explain the Texas CD phenomenon as I remember Texas isn't like WA or Oregon which are considered more "green" and environmental friendly states...like CA. You can't throw a stone in LA without hitting a Volt, Tesla, or Prius!
If they don't / didn't like diesels, they won't offer reasonable trades, or even order them for new stock.
If they like Diesels they have clientele waiting for trade-ins.
I know from personal experience - I have sold the heck out of Diesels, filling a niche that most dealers don't realize exists. As a General Manager of a VW-Porsche-Audi store, we bought every (sound) used diesel we could find in a 1,000 mile radius and they never sat around. We paid well for Diesels and had amazing turn.
THAT's the dealer you are looking for, if you want to trade or sell your CD.
11-21-2016, 06:05 PM
#2045
Three Wheelin'
We will be happy if we can keep ours too. Custom ordered to spec just like we wanted, so we planned on the long term. If they offer a buyback, we will definitely take it though.
11-22-2016, 01:15 AM
#2046
Jalopnik just posted an article about what a cluster the VW buyback process is. Reading the commentary is pretty eye opening about how bad the process appears to be.
Aside from my general annoyance with VW and this whole incident, I wonder what this will mean long term for the Porsche brand in general. It seems like the people running the VW buyback process do not care if they burn their customer base for life. Combine this with a lackluster lineup of cars and *pathetic* dealers, it begs the question for how this will be paid for down the road? I already see my local Porsche dealer turning into the Ford/Chevy lot, loaded with Macans (and a good deal of Cayennes). Porsche is going to end up paying for a lot of this mess...
For the record, I have already spoken with my wallet and skipped out on VAG products until I see how this will end up for me.
Aside from my general annoyance with VW and this whole incident, I wonder what this will mean long term for the Porsche brand in general. It seems like the people running the VW buyback process do not care if they burn their customer base for life. Combine this with a lackluster lineup of cars and *pathetic* dealers, it begs the question for how this will be paid for down the road? I already see my local Porsche dealer turning into the Ford/Chevy lot, loaded with Macans (and a good deal of Cayennes). Porsche is going to end up paying for a lot of this mess...
For the record, I have already spoken with my wallet and skipped out on VAG products until I see how this will end up for me.
11-22-2016, 12:54 PM
#2047
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alexaqui, is this the article you are talking about?
http://jalopnik.com/why-volkswagen-t...lga-1789233795
Seems not up to their standards, and the article is more confusing than the process(!)
I didn't know that 2.0 owners could actually file for buyback before the Oct 25th decision (other than filing to be in line).
Don't forget that the Court, as well as EPA and CARB, have added to the delay (perhaps caused it?).
And of course the Gag Order prevents VW from communicating anything.
First of it's kind - so we are all learning just how complicated this can be. Other manufacturers will soon enter the same process, as the inquisition fans out.
http://jalopnik.com/why-volkswagen-t...lga-1789233795
Seems not up to their standards, and the article is more confusing than the process(!)
I didn't know that 2.0 owners could actually file for buyback before the Oct 25th decision (other than filing to be in line).
Don't forget that the Court, as well as EPA and CARB, have added to the delay (perhaps caused it?).
And of course the Gag Order prevents VW from communicating anything.
First of it's kind - so we are all learning just how complicated this can be. Other manufacturers will soon enter the same process, as the inquisition fans out.
11-22-2016, 02:46 PM
#2048
Racer
There is a guy on this VW forum http://forums.tdiclub.com/forumdisplay.php?f=99 going tomorrow the 23rd to the dealer to turn in his car. http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=469718
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11-23-2016, 01:11 AM
#2049
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It really has very little to do with the dealer's location. The ones who have developed a market for Diesels, have the market they have developed.
If they don't / didn't like diesels, they won't offer reasonable trades, or even order them for new stock.
If they like Diesels they have clientele waiting for trade-ins.
I know from personal experience - I have sold the heck out of Diesels, filling a niche that most dealers don't realize exists. As a General Manager of a VW-Porsche-Audi store, we bought every (sound) used diesel we could find in a 1,000 mile radius and they never sat around. We paid well for Diesels and had amazing turn.
THAT's the dealer you are looking for, if you want to trade or sell your CD.
If they don't / didn't like diesels, they won't offer reasonable trades, or even order them for new stock.
If they like Diesels they have clientele waiting for trade-ins.
I know from personal experience - I have sold the heck out of Diesels, filling a niche that most dealers don't realize exists. As a General Manager of a VW-Porsche-Audi store, we bought every (sound) used diesel we could find in a 1,000 mile radius and they never sat around. We paid well for Diesels and had amazing turn.
THAT's the dealer you are looking for, if you want to trade or sell your CD.
There is a guy on this VW forum http://forums.tdiclub.com/forumdisplay.php?f=99 going tomorrow the 23rd to the dealer to turn in his car. http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=469718
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http://autoweek.com/article/vw-diese...n=awdailydrive
VW must see this as a never ending story almost as I don't see how they get this settled anytime soon in a manner that satisfies everyone and without losing some or even a significant portion of their customer base. Too many good alternatives out there to feel like customers don't have options out there IMHO.
11-23-2016, 06:35 PM
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http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/vo...uotes-details/
Finally ending over a year’s worth of speculation, Volkswagen CEO Herbert Diess has confirmed the brand will never again offer a diesel-powered car in the United States. The company isn’t allowed to sell oil-burning engines here, but many believed it would give the technology another shot in a couple of years’ time.
Instead, Volkswagen is putting an unprecedented focus on electrification.
Instead, Volkswagen is putting an unprecedented focus on electrification.
11-23-2016, 11:51 PM
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Got it that there is a market for the CD among some buyers as a few here have shown..but my question is how long will that last especially in an economy and among a brand where consistently desire the best and most recent release (these are luxury items not mere transportation from A to B) despite the sensibility of the purchase. There are some who buy the newest just to purchase/have it even if they already have an adequate vehicle...so I just wonder how long that "shine" and allure will last for the CD and other VW diesels now that they're confirmed to be essentially gray market vehicles to a degree and no longer for the US market.
11-24-2016, 12:01 AM
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Well wonder what that little bit of information will do to the market value of their cars! All the VW/Audi/Porsche diesels just became dinosaurs model wise to some point! Got it that there is a market for the CD among some buyers as a few here have shown..but my question is how long will that last especially in an economy and among a brand where consistently desire the best and most recent release (these are luxury items not mere transportation from A to B) despite the sensibility of the purchase. There are some who buy the newest just to purchase/have it even if they already have an adequate vehicle...so I just wonder how long that "shine" and allure will last for the CD and other VW diesels now that they're confirmed to be essentially gray market vehicles to a degree and no longer for the US market.
Got it that there is a market for the CD among some buyers as a few here have shown..but my question is how long will that last especially in an economy and among a brand where consistently desire the best and most recent release (these are luxury items not mere transportation from A to B) despite the sensibility of the purchase. There are some who buy the newest just to purchase/have it even if they already have an adequate vehicle...so I just wonder how long that "shine" and allure will last for the CD and other VW diesels now that they're confirmed to be essentially gray market vehicles to a degree and no longer for the US market.
11-24-2016, 12:13 AM
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Well wonder what that little bit of information will do to the market value of their cars! All the VW/Audi/Porsche diesels just became dinosaurs model wise to some point! Got it that there is a market for the CD among some buyers as a few here have shown..but my question is how long will that last especially in an economy and among a brand where consistently desire the best and most recent release (these are luxury items not mere transportation from A to B) despite the sensibility of the purchase. There are some who buy the newest just to purchase/have it even if they already have an adequate vehicle...so I just wonder how long that "shine" and allure will last for the CD and other VW diesels now that they're confirmed to be essentially gray market vehicles to a degree and no longer for the US market.
Got it that there is a market for the CD among some buyers as a few here have shown..but my question is how long will that last especially in an economy and among a brand where consistently desire the best and most recent release (these are luxury items not mere transportation from A to B) despite the sensibility of the purchase. There are some who buy the newest just to purchase/have it even if they already have an adequate vehicle...so I just wonder how long that "shine" and allure will last for the CD and other VW diesels now that they're confirmed to be essentially gray market vehicles to a degree and no longer for the US market.Second, given the popularity of the older Cayennes, I suspect there will always be a market for the 958... gas and diesel. But, only time will tell on that one!
11-24-2016, 01:25 PM
#2054
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Never a VW diesel again. That is, unless there is. They need to say this to satisfy the regulators who demand the shift to electrics. Until, they, too, change their minds.
If there is a continued push for limiting CO2, diesel has the advantage. If you take into consideration the CO2 emissions, from cradle to the grave, of electrics, diesels may have the advantage there, too.
Unless things change there, too.
I.E., who knows?
If there is a continued push for limiting CO2, diesel has the advantage. If you take into consideration the CO2 emissions, from cradle to the grave, of electrics, diesels may have the advantage there, too.
Unless things change there, too.
I.E., who knows?
11-25-2016, 09:51 AM
#2055
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Never a VW diesel again. That is, unless there is. They need to say this to satisfy the regulators who demand the shift to electrics. Until, they, too, change their minds.
If there is a continued push for limiting CO2, diesel has the advantage. If you take into consideration the CO2 emissions, from cradle to the grave, of electrics, diesels may have the advantage there, too.
Unless things change there, too.
I.E., who knows?
If there is a continued push for limiting CO2, diesel has the advantage. If you take into consideration the CO2 emissions, from cradle to the grave, of electrics, diesels may have the advantage there, too.
Unless things change there, too.
I.E., who knows?