Diesel Cayenne and VW emission issue
12-08-2016, 04:37 AM
#2191
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WTF are you on about? There's pretty much zero likelihood of any kind of confiscating. Just stop with the fake news hype. Haven't we all had ENOUGH of that idiocy already?
As for recoverable, that's laughably stupid. Choosing to slap stuff onto a vehicle has no bearing on the kind of issue at hand here. Factory equipment, sure. But anything else would be entirely on you.
As for recoverable, that's laughably stupid. Choosing to slap stuff onto a vehicle has no bearing on the kind of issue at hand here. Factory equipment, sure. But anything else would be entirely on you.
If yours is a 2013 or earlier, there IS no fix for the 3.0's - at least that's the way it looks now.
There is no word on whether Dealers will service an "unfixable" Diesel. The thrust of the EPA and CARB seems to be to get these cars off the road ASAP, so who knows what measures will be required?
If you can't register your car, the remedy is to turn it in. I'd call that a confiscation, especially since it appears that they will destroy the car, or at least its engine. You can call it what you want, but I'm not laughing.
If I am forced to turn in a car that I expected to keep for 5 - 7 years and my investment in stuff like my hitch, I have lost that investment. I'll have to spend it again on a replacement vehicle. One of the stated concepts of the settlement is for owners to be able to replace their car with a like vehicle.
It's an issue for me, and I'm not laughing about that, either.
12-08-2016, 06:56 PM
#2192
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IMHO I would not rely heavily (or lightly) on anything reported concerning the 3.0L diesel as fixable or not fixable until the court deems as such. There have been speculative reports regarding first gen diesels from VW and Audi as being too expensive to "fix", but again nothing has been confirmed by the court and/or settlement agreement. The 2nd gen diesels include the DEF (Ad Blue trademarked) Urea system. Once again speculative reports suggest these are "fixable" with various options from a combination of hardware & software to only a minor software change. I remain hopeful that next week we begin to see light at the end of the tunnel and can start having a factually based conversation on real options and a path forward.
12-08-2016, 08:36 PM
#2193
^ agreed. Audis dont have as many personalized options but i could see someone building out a 100k cayenne vs a. baser at $68k. My a8 was 114 or thereabouts and the base car was 89k
12-09-2016, 12:02 AM
#2194
http://www.leftlanenews.com/germany-...ice-93506.html
wtf. Could things get any more complicated (if these tips or leads have any substance)
wtf. Could things get any more complicated (if these tips or leads have any substance)
12-09-2016, 06:56 AM
#2195
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IMHO I would not rely heavily (or lightly) on anything reported concerning the 3.0L diesel as fixable or not fixable until the court deems as such. There have been speculative reports regarding first gen diesels from VW and Audi as being too expensive to "fix", but again nothing has been confirmed by the court and/or settlement agreement. The 2nd gen diesels include the DEF (Ad Blue trademarked) Urea system. Once again speculative reports suggest these are "fixable" with various options from a combination of hardware & software to only a minor software change. I remain hopeful that next week we begin to see light at the end of the tunnel and can start having a factually based conversation on real options and a path forward.
12-09-2016, 07:43 AM
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IMHO I would not rely heavily (or lightly) on anything reported concerning the 3.0L diesel as fixable or not fixable until the court deems as such. There have been speculative reports regarding first gen diesels from VW and Audi as being too expensive to "fix", but again nothing has been confirmed by the court and/or settlement agreement. The 2nd gen diesels include the DEF (Ad Blue trademarked) Urea system. Once again speculative reports suggest these are "fixable" with various options from a combination of hardware & software to only a minor software change. I remain hopeful that next week we begin to see light at the end of the tunnel and can start having a factually based conversation on real options and a path forward.
I'm committed to avoiding a car payment though, so am leery of what vehicle I could buy for $20-$30k which would give me the DD experience of this nice SUV. I'm thinking of a used Toyota or Lexus SUV, or maybe even ponying up extra cash to buy a new Macan or CPO'd CD. The best scenario would be a fix and I keep driving the VW.
12-09-2016, 08:54 AM
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IMHO I would not rely heavily (or lightly) on anything reported concerning the 3.0L diesel as fixable or not fixable until the court deems as such. There have been speculative reports regarding first gen diesels from VW and Audi as being too expensive to "fix", but again nothing has been confirmed by the court and/or settlement agreement. The 2nd gen diesels include the DEF (Ad Blue trademarked) Urea system. Once again speculative reports suggest these are "fixable" with various options from a combination of hardware & software to only a minor software change. I remain hopeful that next week we begin to see light at the end of the tunnel and can start having a factually based conversation on real options and a path forward.
12-09-2016, 09:24 AM
#2198
http://www.leftlanenews.com/germany-...ice-93506.html
wtf. Could things get any more complicated (if these tips or leads have any substance)
wtf. Could things get any more complicated (if these tips or leads have any substance)
Info for the link got truncated. Here's the headline :
"Germany investigating Porsche for use of cheat device"
12-09-2016, 09:24 AM
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12-09-2016, 09:26 AM
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12-09-2016, 10:34 PM
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and my 40k is coming up. oh well, need to do it.
man i really don't want to sell the car.
Was at my dealer this afternoon and talking to someone there who DOES know (a little) they still have no timeline or direction on the plan. They will get to resell the unsold cars as 'used' ASSUMING they can be fixed. He's got a dozen or so of them sitting in storage.
very frustrating situation as the diesel was a significant seller for them.
man i really don't want to sell the car.
Was at my dealer this afternoon and talking to someone there who DOES know (a little) they still have no timeline or direction on the plan. They will get to resell the unsold cars as 'used' ASSUMING they can be fixed. He's got a dozen or so of them sitting in storage.
very frustrating situation as the diesel was a significant seller for them.
12-10-2016, 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Spyerx
very frustrating situation as the diesel was a significant seller for them.
12-10-2016, 02:27 AM
#2205
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http://autoweek.com/article/vw-diese...n=awdailydrive
This is truly turning into the gift that keeps on giving!
Hard to think there will given how long this has been going on and what the fix or resolution will ever be..no one knows. Uncertainty is definitely not good for any market..whether that is stocks, cars, commodities, etc. Buyers do want to know what they are getting for their hard earned cash..well most of them do.