The Bad News piles up about the new Turbo
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The honest to goodness truth is that we have to have the latest and the greatest. Your 2009 Turbos however will be remembered. I bet that some of you that are somewhat doubtful of the 2010 now will be getting one in the future. Most of the 2009 owners now are in denial (which is a normal reaction when something new comes out).
It would take something special to make me change from this car.....
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I don't think so.
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#33
Used Turbo with GT1 engine? I'd consider buying it.
Used TT with DFI engine: no way would I buy it.
IMO, Huge HP/Tq output requires the bulletproof engine block for most sensible guys considering a car with an "unknown" past.
Used TT with DFI engine: no way would I buy it.
IMO, Huge HP/Tq output requires the bulletproof engine block for most sensible guys considering a car with an "unknown" past.
#35
Great thread:
"they are all a blast...930 to present 997TT..."
and the wooden floorboard quote in a sig...funny.
I love my 996TT. I can see keeping it 10 more years.
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"they are all a blast...930 to present 997TT..."
and the wooden floorboard quote in a sig...funny.
I love my 996TT. I can see keeping it 10 more years.
Jeff
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Unless there is some kind of proof of these new engines going poof, the mechanical specifications are almost academic.
Everybody loves an overbuilt engine, but it doesn't make financial sense, and if the new engine meets their performance standards and handles the power without a problem, who really cares if it isn't an M64.
All you really have at this point is hearsay.
Everybody loves an overbuilt engine, but it doesn't make financial sense, and if the new engine meets their performance standards and handles the power without a problem, who really cares if it isn't an M64.
All you really have at this point is hearsay.
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Ummm... and a bit of history, the integrated wet sumps don't exactly have a stellar racing pedigree. To be fair, the DFI motors are brand new and improved over the M96/7.
What happened to the op? Must be a troll or something
What happened to the op? Must be a troll or something
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In article they call it integrated dry sump.Is it dry sump or not?
It said:
"Also new is the Turbo engine's use of an integrated dry-sump oil lubrication system with six oil-scavenge pumps, first seen on the water-cooled 911s in 1999 but never on the 911 Turbo. The expansion intake manifold that effectively cools the air before it enters the turbochargers themselves appeared on the mega-turbocharged 530-hp 2008 911 GT2"
http://www.insideline.com/porsche/91...and-video.html
It said:
"Also new is the Turbo engine's use of an integrated dry-sump oil lubrication system with six oil-scavenge pumps, first seen on the water-cooled 911s in 1999 but never on the 911 Turbo. The expansion intake manifold that effectively cools the air before it enters the turbochargers themselves appeared on the mega-turbocharged 530-hp 2008 911 GT2"
http://www.insideline.com/porsche/91...and-video.html
#41
The horsepower claims that people modding the M64 make are irrelevant. If you are looking for raw horsepower then you should be looking at a Corvettte.
The only question we should be asking is: does the new generation car outperform the old? So far everything I have seen suggests that the DFI engine is an improvement on the M64, performance wise.
The only question we should be asking is: does the new generation car outperform the old? So far everything I have seen suggests that the DFI engine is an improvement on the M64, performance wise.
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cool. I guess non-enthusiasts will be enjoying the new 911 turbos for the next 10 years, while you bang around in your 8 year old M64 turbo.
I understand all about heritage and racing pedigree and whatever. However, the vast majority of TT owners will not push their cars nearly hard enough to need a dry sump or the alleged superstrength of the M64.
You ask me, a engine that needs new rods before 600rwhp is not exactly something I'd be so excited about.
I understand all about heritage and racing pedigree and whatever. However, the vast majority of TT owners will not push their cars nearly hard enough to need a dry sump or the alleged superstrength of the M64.
You ask me, a engine that needs new rods before 600rwhp is not exactly something I'd be so excited about.
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Porsche has used the term 'integrated dry sump' to describe the M96/M97 wet sump in the non Turbo/GT2/GT3 since the 996 made its debut.
AFAIK, only the Turbo//GT2/GT3 in the 99x series used a true dry sump, again based on the M64 design/evolution.
AFAIK, only the Turbo//GT2/GT3 in the 99x series used a true dry sump, again based on the M64 design/evolution.
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FWIW, I don't bang around in my 8 year old M64 Turbo...I bang around in the Cup Car, which I imagine is better suited to the task.
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This situation (regarding the end of the M64 lineage and a true dry sump) is a bit like the end of the 'aircooled' 911's back in 98...it is simply a moment in the company's history.
Cars like a Porsche '911' are expected to be faster with each subsequent evolution and release, but some are not interested in 'faster'.
However, this 'faster' evolution may be coming to an end, as opined by Jeremy Clarkson.
The M64 certainly isn't bulletproof or 'superstrength', but it was a remarkable engine that evolved over more than a decade and claimed the LeMans title...which does set the bar fairly high for all subsequent engines.