The 997 GT3/RS Cars For Sale Thread...
10-31-2017, 01:46 AM
#1263
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Bat auction is a great comp for buyers and sellers. It's confirmation that a 30k mile / front and rear bumper replaced & painted and or just painted / cigarette hole in non factory delivered driver seat will bring in the 106+5=111k sales price. Imo, a 30k mile original paint/ well taken care of example- non tracked - dme clean above range 2 - no story car should bring in 115-125k. I am sure many of the lower priced cars out there show some signs of wear otherwise they would be purchased and in a new home. Just my opinion folks, I simply feel these cars are so darn special and getting enough eyeballs on them will reflect true market value. Good job Bat.
10-31-2017, 10:38 AM
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Bat auction is a great comp for buyers and sellers. It's confirmation that a 30k mile / front and rear bumper replaced & painted and or just painted / cigarette hole in non factory delivered driver seat will bring in the 106+5=111k sales price. Imo, a 30k mile original paint/ well taken care of example- non tracked - dme clean above range 2 - no story car should bring in 115-125k. I am sure many of the lower priced cars out there show some signs of wear otherwise they would be purchased and in a new home. Just my opinion folks, I simply feel these cars are so darn special and getting enough eyeballs on them will reflect true market value. Good job Bat.
I've seen better cars (and I have a better car) sitting at $110k unsold.
If this sale determined the market, my yellow 2010 with $12k in recent maintenance and upgrades, zero paintwork, clean DME, buckets, and WAY cleaner than this car, would be worth $120k. But it isn't.
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10-31-2017, 10:43 AM
#1265
I have mixed feelings on this result. Honestly, I think it went for too much money - the car had question marks and a bad Carfax.
I've seen better cars (and I have a better car) sitting at $110k unsold.
If this sale determined the market, my yellow 2010 with $12k in recent maintenance and upgrades, zero paintwork, clean DME, buckets, and WAY cleaner than this car, would be worth $120k. But it isn't.
I've seen better cars (and I have a better car) sitting at $110k unsold.
If this sale determined the market, my yellow 2010 with $12k in recent maintenance and upgrades, zero paintwork, clean DME, buckets, and WAY cleaner than this car, would be worth $120k. But it isn't.
10-31-2017, 11:38 AM
#1266
I have mixed feelings on this result. Honestly, I think it went for too much money - the car had question marks and a bad Carfax.
I've seen better cars (and I have a better car) sitting at $110k unsold.
If this sale determined the market, my yellow 2010 with $12k in recent maintenance and upgrades, zero paintwork, clean DME, buckets, and WAY cleaner than this car, would be worth $120k. But it isn't.
I've seen better cars (and I have a better car) sitting at $110k unsold.
If this sale determined the market, my yellow 2010 with $12k in recent maintenance and upgrades, zero paintwork, clean DME, buckets, and WAY cleaner than this car, would be worth $120k. But it isn't.
10-31-2017, 11:48 AM
#1268
I would hazard a guess that it is high 90%. The buyer pays the BAT fee of 5% immediately if the auction closes above reserve. It is charged to your credit card on file and you cannot get that back. So unless there is some sort of problem found with the car or something unexpected happens I doubt very many people at all back out.
10-31-2017, 12:58 PM
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I follow the 997 GT3 prices a bit....and own a .1 and yes I also agree this .2 went for more than market. A previous owner commented that it had some engine issues...buyer was requesting to contact him for more info in the comments section...so wonder if that one will go thru. I thought the .1 GT3 before this one also went over market.
also see there is already another 997.1 GT3 up; white, 8400 mi
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...che-911-gt3-3/
If these BAT auctions are telling us something...it might be there is actually a decent buyer pool for these cars but there is a disconnect between buyers finding sellers...Or maybe people just get hyped up buying on the BAT format and can't stop themselves...or they don't bother to price compare or search the car forums..
Switchcars seems to both sell a good amount of these cars and also keeps logs of them so know them quite well. If anyone can give an accurate appraisal of current dealer and private party sales prices on 997's I think he can.
also see there is already another 997.1 GT3 up; white, 8400 mi
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...che-911-gt3-3/
If these BAT auctions are telling us something...it might be there is actually a decent buyer pool for these cars but there is a disconnect between buyers finding sellers...Or maybe people just get hyped up buying on the BAT format and can't stop themselves...or they don't bother to price compare or search the car forums..
Switchcars seems to both sell a good amount of these cars and also keeps logs of them so know them quite well. If anyone can give an accurate appraisal of current dealer and private party sales prices on 997's I think he can.
10-31-2017, 03:35 PM
#1271
I am convinced that if I ever decide to sell a niche sports car, that I will do my best to get it on that site because they get top dollar.
I have been a "hobbyist" follower of the gt3 market (a dream car of mine, but cannot justify a purchase any time soon) and purely based on which cars sell quickly and which ones sit, my gut tells me this one was a FANTASTIC deal for the seller of a car that had question marks. Again, I am really a window shopper so no insider sales information.
10-31-2017, 04:02 PM
#1272
I'm continually amazed at the prices people pay on BaT when a simple internet search will turn up the same car for quite a bit less. Great for sellers though.
10-31-2017, 05:42 PM
#1273
Why not list it on BAT ?
I have mixed feelings on this result. Honestly, I think it went for too much money - the car had question marks and a bad Carfax.
I've seen better cars (and I have a better car) sitting at $110k unsold.
If this sale determined the market, my yellow 2010 with $12k in recent maintenance and upgrades, zero paintwork, clean DME, buckets, and WAY cleaner than this car, would be worth $120k. But it isn't.
I've seen better cars (and I have a better car) sitting at $110k unsold.
If this sale determined the market, my yellow 2010 with $12k in recent maintenance and upgrades, zero paintwork, clean DME, buckets, and WAY cleaner than this car, would be worth $120k. But it isn't.
10-31-2017, 08:54 PM
#1274
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The platform is well respected thus instills confidence in buyers so they pay more believing there's no downside of getting stuck with a misrepresented vehicle.
The commentators help by picking the cars apart so the buyer feels like he/she knows what's on the table.
The pictures are very clear, the descriptions are concise, it's just enough good information to leap in and buy a car online with confidence.
Bottom line- Its a trusted source and getting what you want "right now" with a 7-10% mark-up from the other cars advertised elsewhere seems like a pretty reasonable surcharge to pay.
Last but not least, It's great for the lazy buyer who would rather take a chance and buy site unseen instead of working at finding the right car and saving some money after doing some leg work.
My 2 cents.
10-31-2017, 10:41 PM
#1275
But with Bat, you can buy from the convenience of your own home without ever going out to test drive or waste time dealing with liars and con artists.
The platform is well respected thus instills confidence in buyers so they pay more believing there's no downside of getting stuck with a misrepresented vehicle.
The commentators help by picking the cars apart so the buyer feels like he/she knows what's on the table.
The pictures are very clear, the descriptions are concise, it's just enough good information to leap in and buy a car online with confidence.
Bottom line- Its a trusted source and getting what you want "right now" with a 7-10% mark-up from the other cars advertised elsewhere seems like a pretty reasonable surcharge to pay.
Last but not least, It's great for the lazy buyer who would rather take a chance and buy site unseen instead of working at finding the right car and saving some money after doing some leg work.
My 2 cents.
The platform is well respected thus instills confidence in buyers so they pay more believing there's no downside of getting stuck with a misrepresented vehicle.
The commentators help by picking the cars apart so the buyer feels like he/she knows what's on the table.
The pictures are very clear, the descriptions are concise, it's just enough good information to leap in and buy a car online with confidence.
Bottom line- Its a trusted source and getting what you want "right now" with a 7-10% mark-up from the other cars advertised elsewhere seems like a pretty reasonable surcharge to pay.
Last but not least, It's great for the lazy buyer who would rather take a chance and buy site unseen instead of working at finding the right car and saving some money after doing some leg work.
My 2 cents.
As shown with the last 997.1 GT3 that Doug pointed out an additional unreported accident and possible frame damage, BaT doesn't really do the best job of uncovering or disclosing potential issues for the buyer.