The 997 GT3/RS Cars For Sale Thread...
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How did you get it inspected with you not being there? Did you know someone? Is it a matter of paying people to flatbed the car to an Indi shop to do the PPI and having them film the whole thing and hope they're trustworthy? All I can think of is jumping on a plane to be there in person, at a moments notice, lol.
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I've been curious about this, since I'm looking all over the country for a car (Thank you Doug).
How did you get it inspected with you not being there? Did you know someone? Is it a matter of paying people to flatbed the car to an Indi shop to do the PPI and having them film the whole thing and hope they're trustworthy? All I can think of is jumping on a plane to be there in person, at a moments notice, lol.
How did you get it inspected with you not being there? Did you know someone? Is it a matter of paying people to flatbed the car to an Indi shop to do the PPI and having them film the whole thing and hope they're trustworthy? All I can think of is jumping on a plane to be there in person, at a moments notice, lol.
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A few months ago this car COULD have been had for $170k. I offered $160k and was turned down; two of my clients also passed on the car. That was "too much" then. A moving market makes everyone an expert and yet nobody at the exact same time.
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You guys have seen this Pumpkin highly optioned RS They want $199k Lupo Motors
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#6431
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and I always tell my friends who are looking for 997. these are OLD cars, and slow. you are buying for feel and nostalgia so they are "keeper" cars.
if so , then don't let 20-30k bother you. b/c they go up and down in prices but good cars will vanish.
but it takes a good decade or two for some ppl to figure it out and ask why no one calls them when a good car shows up. some ppl get a lot of calls for non marketed cars for good reason. Doug here has many good contacts for top cars.
I just sold a very very cherry car to a friend.
I send him one pic and a price tag.
he asked some questions, money arrived.
he has the car and calls me "why did you sell this thing. I have not seen one better......"
if he hesitate, it would have gone to another fast finger friend.
no, this is not a 997GT3RS but the story is the same
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If you're serious about purchasing a GT3 and actually plan on tracking/driving it, the 991 is a much better value. Granted it's bigger but that's about it's only negative to a 997. You could also argue the 997 is slightly more attractive but I'm not in that camp. You need the leg of a gorilla to push the clutch pedal in on a 997 and the transmission is horribley notchy. That alone makes for a not so fun driving experience. You'll also likely have to pin the coolant pipes, replace the RMS and all the while your in there stuff.
I don't personally care for the hydraulic steering rack, the car darts all over the road especially at speed to the point where it's a handful to drive. The advances on the 991 platform are hard to beat at the price they are selling for now. I would strongly considerer a nice PTS 991 before committing.
I don't personally care for the hydraulic steering rack, the car darts all over the road especially at speed to the point where it's a handful to drive. The advances on the 991 platform are hard to beat at the price they are selling for now. I would strongly considerer a nice PTS 991 before committing.
It's tough to gauge where the market goes when prices plateau, and I can't help but wonder if most other buyers' come to the same conclusions and have no choice but to opt for the better value - or if the fever of collectibility just keeps pushing the prices past what the actual DRIVING experience is worth.(See Exhibit A: E30 M3) The headache & time required to find the right older car is often overlooked too. And with GT3's pushing $100k it seems silly to not consider a 991.1 or 718 instead which are far more easily sourced in whatever spec you want with less chance of having shady history. Or I could just get a C2S at half the price to sample the 997 since the performance bar has moved on considerably regardless....
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I always wrestle with overlap in the Porschesphere... there always seem to be a couple choices at a given pricepoint and when you distill variants down to their semantics/nuances, it becomes a tough choice. Especially when the cars are as old as they are the newer ones do tend to make more sense when you factor cost of ownership. I've got lots of seattime owning 991/981, so the idea of a 997 is moreso just a bucket list stop along the way. But the newer cars are indisputably 'better'.
It's tough to gauge where the market goes when prices plateau, and I can't help but wonder if most other buyers' come to the same conclusions and have no choice but to opt for the better value - or if the fever of collectibility just keeps pushing the prices past what the actual DRIVING experience is worth.(See Exhibit A: E30 M3) The headache & time required to find the right older car is often overlooked too. And with GT3's pushing $100k it seems silly to not consider a 991.1 or 718 instead which are far more easily sourced in whatever spec you want with less chance of having shady history. Or I could just get a C2S at half the price to sample the 997 since the performance bar has moved on considerably regardless....
It's tough to gauge where the market goes when prices plateau, and I can't help but wonder if most other buyers' come to the same conclusions and have no choice but to opt for the better value - or if the fever of collectibility just keeps pushing the prices past what the actual DRIVING experience is worth.(See Exhibit A: E30 M3) The headache & time required to find the right older car is often overlooked too. And with GT3's pushing $100k it seems silly to not consider a 991.1 or 718 instead which are far more easily sourced in whatever spec you want with less chance of having shady history. Or I could just get a C2S at half the price to sample the 997 since the performance bar has moved on considerably regardless....
Regarding pricing and whether you should consider a 991 or a 718, the driving experience is just so different. I didn't believe it either until I drove one. I used to wonder why someone would pay $20-30k more for a GT3 over a C2S. Then I drove a 997 GT3 and it all became clear.
Whether driving experience is worth it or not, that depends. Let's take this as an example, would I pay $200k for a 997.1 GT3 with 5k miles compared to $150k for one with 25k miles, no. Because miles don't concern me, condition does. But unfortunately prices have went up and I think it's about whether or not you value the driving experience enough. I think my personal limit on car pricing is $100k. Having driven plenty of cars, I have yet to drive a car that was $150k that I thought was substantially better than one that was $100k. Actually, the 997 GT3 is the best car, for me, I've driven to date and I've driven more expensive cars. Now is an E30 M3 worth $100k+? I'd say no. That's nostalgia more than anything. That is BAT tax as well. People getting into bidding wars just to show they have more money and can pay crazy prices for it. E39 M5, is that worth $150k? No. Probably worth $30-50k I'd say? They were underpriced when you could get a clean one for $15k like many of my friends did. But a 997 GT3 was a $110k to start with. They are depreciated down to $90k, at one point were in the low $80s for a nice one. It's not like they were $50k cars new and are now selling for double. I think even at $90-100k the 997.1 GT3 is a very good buy. It provides a great driving experience. These sports cars are pretty irrational things, so it's more emotion than logic I'd say.
I think if you buy a 997 GT3 and have the plan of keeping it long term, the short term fluctuations will matter less, sort of like what Mooty said.
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I hope the new gt3 will get some 997 owners to part with their rides. A handful more in the market would be welcome in this forum.
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I think that’d be great. My guess is we may notice more 991.2 GT3’s or 991.2RS’ on the market. But maybe not 997 GT3’s. I think the guys with 997 GT3’s at this point will sell them when they’re just ready to try something new. They’re less likely to be influenced by the newest car on the market. The guys that will be putting cars up for sale will be the ones that are always jumping to the newest GT car just to stay with the latest and greatest.
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