Destructive Torsional Harmonics or How to keep your cam bolts from backing out...
#168
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I have been running a damper for a while now. I did a VA test on a dyno but the data was currupt- I was getting interference from some where and as it was a freebie on the dyno I ran out of time to diagnose. The data seemed to show an improvement but the signal noise made it hard to interperate with any conviction.
One side effect is my fire extinguisher which is hard mounted to the roll bar is now silent- the trigger used to rattle and vibrate at certain speeds.
No negative effects noted.
Happy with the peice of mind ready its ready for my 4L+ build.
One side effect is my fire extinguisher which is hard mounted to the roll bar is now silent- the trigger used to rattle and vibrate at certain speeds.
No negative effects noted.
Happy with the peice of mind ready its ready for my 4L+ build.
Last edited by Ur20v; 06-17-2015 at 08:56 PM.
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I have been running a damper for a while now. I did a VA test on a dyno but the data was currupt- I was getting interference from some where and as it was a freebie on the dyno I ran out of time to diagnose. The data seemed to show an improvement but the signal noise made it hard to interperate with any conviction.
One side effect is my fire extinguisher which is hard mounted to the roll bar is now silent- the trigger used to rattle and vibrate at certain speeds.
No negative effects noted.
Happy with the peice of mind rand its ready for my 4+ build.
One side effect is my fire extinguisher which is hard mounted to the roll bar is now silent- the trigger used to rattle and vibrate at certain speeds.
No negative effects noted.
Happy with the peice of mind rand its ready for my 4+ build.
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I am .1 3.6 so they don't suffer the same problems as 3.8's or 4.0's.
I did it becasue I was interested in the science of harmonics and my company does VA (vibration analysis) in the Oil and Gas industry. Also when I do my build I didn't want to suffer oil pump failures etc.
Ranger/Champion had a few issues which were resolved by adding the ATI damper from Jamie. There are others running big builds now using this safety measure as well so hopefully they will chime in.
Mike was going to fit his ATI damper (ex-Jamie) to hi 3.8 .2 until the accuator bolts backed out a couple of weeks ago so unfortuntetly he missed the boat by trying to get to the end of the seasion to fit the damper. Like coolant pipe pinning/welding if you wait its a ticking time bomb.
My advice buy and fit James ATI damper ASAP to your 3.8's and 4.0.
I did it becasue I was interested in the science of harmonics and my company does VA (vibration analysis) in the Oil and Gas industry. Also when I do my build I didn't want to suffer oil pump failures etc.
Ranger/Champion had a few issues which were resolved by adding the ATI damper from Jamie. There are others running big builds now using this safety measure as well so hopefully they will chime in.
Mike was going to fit his ATI damper (ex-Jamie) to hi 3.8 .2 until the accuator bolts backed out a couple of weeks ago so unfortuntetly he missed the boat by trying to get to the end of the seasion to fit the damper. Like coolant pipe pinning/welding if you wait its a ticking time bomb.
My advice buy and fit James ATI damper ASAP to your 3.8's and 4.0.
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Any more feedback from people who have had the damper installed?
I've talked to several experienced Porsche mechanics regarding the issue with the cam bolts...all of them confirm that this is a common enough problem and that the damper may help. But they also have their own theories and are not sure a damper is a 100% complete solution.
I've talked to several experienced Porsche mechanics regarding the issue with the cam bolts...all of them confirm that this is a common enough problem and that the damper may help. But they also have their own theories and are not sure a damper is a 100% complete solution.
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I am trying to follow the risk level across various GT1-engined cars.
I have a 08 GT2, is this something I must consider? Sounds like the 3.6L might not be affected...
If I ever upgraded to a LWFW, would my risk profile increase?
I have a 08 GT2, is this something I must consider? Sounds like the 3.6L might not be affected...
If I ever upgraded to a LWFW, would my risk profile increase?
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Any more feedback from people who have had the damper installed?
I've talked to several experienced Porsche mechanics regarding the issue with the cam bolts...all of them confirm that this is a common enough problem and that the damper may help. But they also have their own theories and are not sure a damper is a 100% complete solution.
I've talked to several experienced Porsche mechanics regarding the issue with the cam bolts...all of them confirm that this is a common enough problem and that the damper may help. But they also have their own theories and are not sure a damper is a 100% complete solution.
The Damper is not a magic bullet, it reduces the driving forces helping the cam bolts to back out. A replacement to the latest revision of the cam actuators, tighten the bolts with red loctite and install a damper.
Still working on it and will continue to work with those that have received free or reduced priced dampers in exchange for data.
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