"Flying Dutchman or any of the trained Aero Beetle GT3 boys" vs. FIAT Challenge
8 pages of talks and no commitment to action? How hard is it to compete on track? Win or lose no big deal, it's the fun that counts.
03-04-2012, 02:13 PM
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What I don't understand is that is sounds as though the Fiat is sold 
https://rennlist.com/forums/9328092-post7.html
Yes, they are. I just took these pictures right now. I'm regretting selling everything listed badly, but things have drastically changed in the last two weeks (for good, so no worries). I'm regretting even more selling the Fiat parts and my beloved Scuderia.
03-04-2012, 02:40 PM
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What I don't understand is that is sounds as though the Fiat is sold
https://rennlist.com/forums/9328092-post7.html
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03-04-2012, 03:02 PM
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What I don't understand is that is sounds as though the Fiat is sold
https://rennlist.com/forums/9328092-post7.html
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03-04-2012, 04:23 PM
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My car is worth $170k today , Reter's 3.8RS is worth $135k (with all the mods) today.
03-04-2012, 04:27 PM
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Rad, please don't complain about having no spoiler wings etc. I just checked the specs for both F430 Scuderia and .2 GT3 RS. Here's the numbers:
F430 Scuderia: 310kg of downforce @186mph. Souce: http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc..._scuderia.html
997.2 GT3 RS: 170kg of downforce @186mph. Source: http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...11_gt3_rs.html
F430 Scuderia: 310kg of downforce @186mph. Souce: http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc..._scuderia.html
997.2 GT3 RS: 170kg of downforce @186mph. Source: http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...11_gt3_rs.html
03-04-2012, 04:30 PM
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03-04-2012, 04:57 PM
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Rad, can I suggest the following: Rather than swap cars and push hard in an unfamiliar car, for safety, this is where you guys should use a pro driver to benchmark your cars... I'd suggest, run a session to gather best laptimes, hand cars over to a pro to benchmark and determine compare your laps as a % of the best achieved by the pro... Thus it will be the guy who gets the smallest % difference to the pro that takes the Sebring Cup home...
Don't swap cars, may not be a safe or smart move... just saying...
Good luck to you all fellas! And respect to you rad for laying down the challenge and taking on the beatle brigade!
Don't swap cars, may not be a safe or smart move... just saying...
Good luck to you all fellas! And respect to you rad for laying down the challenge and taking on the beatle brigade!
A control driver, a Pro driver in each car for a track session, and the best lap posted by the Pro in each car. This achieves two things: it tells the World which car is better, also how bad my driving sucks, and how amazing the Aero Beetle driver is.
Correct, the difference between the ProDriver lap and the car's owner lap will determine how well the car was driven. It also reduces the risk of me wrecking an Aero Beetle, because I don't know how to drive a car in reverse, or a 911 which is same thing.
However, the Pro driver must be a neutral driver, non-Porsche biased, otherwise the Pro will post sloppy laps in the Aero Beetle, and a smoking super fast lap in the Fiat, so the Aero Beetle owner looks good and the Fiat driver looks like a Rookie. But even in this case, I will have data and video to show the World the under-driving done by the Pro with the Aero Beetle, and a YouTube video named "Professional Race Car Drivers can't drive for ****!!!" is a sure 1,000,000 hits.
Rule: Traqmate data available to everybody, for free analysis, including the Pro driver data, the Aero Beetle magnificent driver data, and yours truly horrific slow inconsistent driver data.
So far, no Aero Beetle boy has stepped up to the challenge: where is Izzone, Reter, Erik, M3EvoMR, GT3DE, Grady, the Greek?
03-04-2012, 04:58 PM
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What you are insinuating is the RS's on this board are at or above FMV and your car is significantly BELOW FMV. I don't believe it and I don't think anyone else here does either.
Compare apples with apples.
03-04-2012, 04:59 PM
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Don't believe everything you read, especially when the article is a straight through extract from Fiat marketing. An independent test in Germany in a wind tunnel at 125mph shows actual numbers, the reality indeed. The Scuderia is nowhere near the downforce numbers compared to the 3.8RS, and Fiat is full of crap.
03-04-2012, 05:02 PM
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I want some dyno charts, Rad keeps saying his car makes less than 400 whp so I wish to see myself
Same brake pads and tire compounds is fair if you ask me. Tires make a big difference as we all know, so this would make the ground a little more even.
Good find Sin!....
I was reading this post last night when I would stop during my long drive from Penscola back to Tampa and was thinking that the Ferrari F430 has lots of downforce ude to all the air channels going through the body and under the car including the rear difusser.
I was reading this post last night when I would stop during my long drive from Penscola back to Tampa and was thinking that the Ferrari F430 has lots of downforce ude to all the air channels going through the body and under the car including the rear difusser.
I never thought Ferrari could release a car with such little downforce, considering the huge rear under diffuser.
03-04-2012, 05:03 PM
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Excuses.
All excuses.
Is that all you have?
I guess you are too scared to put on a tire with more than a 140 tread wear rating. You must need the grip of an R compound to keep your skirt down.
Here's some more incentive. I've never been to Sebring. Sure, I've watched a bunch of races there. But driven this track? No. How could you NOT beat me?
All excuses.
Is that all you have?
I guess you are too scared to put on a tire with more than a 140 tread wear rating. You must need the grip of an R compound to keep your skirt down.
Here's some more incentive. I've never been to Sebring. Sure, I've watched a bunch of races there. But driven this track? No. How could you NOT beat me?