RMS fix DENIED by dealer!
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PM sent Alfie,....for the record it was NOT Ira!
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I'm getting ready to install a Sharky bypass on my RS and now am having second thoughts (already have one on the GT3 and love it). The discussion about whether or not a loss of back pressure could cause an RMS leak is way above my level of technical knowledge. Could we get some of the experts on this forum to weigh in a bit more as to whether that cause is even remotely possible?
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(All above said in half-devil's advocate... not trying to beat on anyone but Porsche's weak-@$$ excuses.)
What this does say to me is Porsche is turning another page in its supreme arrogance and making customers take the shaft for their design deficiencies. What does this tell existing customers looking to upgrade? I think it says to stay with what you have until it's proven to work or go to another brand. I'm not the only one with at least the former concern.
As a counterpoint, we got some notice a year or two back on my wife's Lexus regarding a problem that could affect some % of vehicles. They would replace some part to help mitigate the problem and, further, extend the warranty on any related problem to 100K miles. I don't even remember what the problem was which is my point. Lexus went out of their way to stand behind their product.
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They said the cause stated is "diminished backpressure"...
I went back and picked up my car... the advisor tells me that the field rep warned me that if anyting else happens to my engine, I may be in trouble because of this (ie total warranty voided)...
I can't believe it.... especially that I paid extra $$ for an extended 7 year warranty...
:-(
I went back and picked up my car... the advisor tells me that the field rep warned me that if anyting else happens to my engine, I may be in trouble because of this (ie total warranty voided)...
I can't believe it.... especially that I paid extra $$ for an extended 7 year warranty...
:-(
Good talking to you today and as we were saying Porsche is likely trying to put an end to replacing RMS seals all day long and wants us all to ignore it... Porsche (not the dealership) looses about $1200 a pop in order to pay for the RMS each time so I'm sure the crunch is starting to show since it's happening all the time. Also here's F4plt's
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we all know plenty of 3's that have no bypass and have RMS, I was one of them I have the bypass now but it leaked 3000 miles before and can prove it was fixed and leaked again before bypass was put on.
Also, part two, you can play this game to. take the by pass off and bring it back when it leaks bypass off still leaks can't be pressure anymore. or \
Last point to make its not such a big deal on the bypass as they don't have a way to fix it but If I had other problems that they can fix I would not let this slide. That is what they are counting on. don't do it.
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Not always.
Someone not me got rms fixed with bypass pipe recently. Entire gt3 engine replaced. Present ur case to a technically sophisticated service advisor who will work for u. If the car cannot deal with simple open
Pipe mod, I don't know...... I certainly won't be buying another 130,00 Porsche.
Someone not me got rms fixed with bypass pipe recently. Entire gt3 engine replaced. Present ur case to a technically sophisticated service advisor who will work for u. If the car cannot deal with simple open
Pipe mod, I don't know...... I certainly won't be buying another 130,00 Porsche.
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I just posted this topic in the internal PCNA source forum. Curious to see what kind of response I get. Gas flow dynamics is very complicated, I cannot see how this is possible but we will see. I will report back to this forum if any info worth a damn is posted.
seefouress, see my previous post #36. I'm no expert but I did stay at a holiday inn last night
seefouress, see my previous post #36. I'm no expert but I did stay at a holiday inn last night
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Hey Rocky, the flow is actually the same because the path is The only difference really is the reduction of packing/sound-deadening and material for "muffling" if you will As we say you don't "gain" any power (or loose any) because ours is just for sound so we made sure to keep flow the same. Either way even with full on exhaust/headers etc... there's just no way that it could cause an RMS leak. Porsche's pretty much perfected that on their own with the M96 block and then now with the 997GT3 because of the crap seal they use (unlike on the 996GT3).
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Sorry I had to. That is total BS, this problem has been going on long enough now!! Can't they figure it out for F sake?!? Damn embarassing if you ask me.
Sorry I had to. That is total BS, this problem has been going on long enough now!! Can't they figure it out for F sake?!? Damn embarassing if you ask me.
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Thanks Alex. One clarification please. Are you saying that there is no reduction in back pressure with your bypass or that a back pressure reduction can't cause an RMS leak? If it's the former, then it would seem that the cause given by Porsche in denying the RMS warranty claim is clearly in error.
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Just spoke with the FTM involved with this case. I was informed that extensive testing has and or is being performed at Weissach in regards to exhaust backpressure and crankcase vacuume in relation to oil leaks on the GT3 powerplant. All the orders come from the TOP. Please understand I did not intend to undermind PCNA and or any of its employees regarding this issue. I have total confidence that PCNA will resolve this issue and take care of the customer. Ooops
Most likely you spoke to the FTR involved, and if it is whom I believe it is, he is a stand-up guy that is a walking knowledgeable technical encyclopedia about the brand.
A good guy to have in your corner