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Old 11-09-2010, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by gravedgr
Considering GTS allocation < dealer allocations, by definition, that makes it a limited model. You can't order as many as you want, you get as many as your given.

If by limited you mean "numbered", it will not be numbered.
As an OT aside -- I absolutely LOVE it when the late-night TV crap peddlers never fail to use the term "Limited Edition". Given that VW was never capable of producing an UN-limited quantity of Beetles, even those are, technically, Limited Editions...
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It will be interesting to see if dealers get "additional allotments" of GTS cars. Initially, each dealer received a limited number of allocations (usually one or two), leading to the idea that the GTS would be a "limited run." (And actually, I don't think every Porsche dealer got allotments, either.)
Perhaps, if the demand is still strong after the first run cars are sold, Porsche will make more available. Either way, I don't think the GTS will retain extra value owing to its "limited production" numbers. Certainly not in the long run.
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Just compare the GTS to the 996 40th Anniversary Edition. No premium.
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Originally Posted by gravedgr
Considering GTS allocation < dealer allocations, by definition, that makes it a limited model. You can't order as many as you want, you get as many as your given.

If by limited you mean "numbered", it will not be numbered.
No, by "not limited" I mean there is not a production limit. The GTS is only limited by the duration of 997 production.

Just because the current round of allocations is small, does not mean there will be dealers without cars for potential buyers in the coming months. Keep in mind that the North American debut has not even happened yet (it is next week at the LA Auto Show).
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I will be selling my 40th anniv. and it does not command a significant premium ( only a few thousand more) than a standard carrera. The 996 C4S also generates a bit more of sales price. However, having a 911 that differentiates itself from the standard Carreras makes re-sale a lot less problematic.

The US allocation for GTS is 500 units (250 coupe/250 cabrio); but it could always change... who knows.
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Originally Posted by beowulf
The US allocation for GTS is 500 units (250 coupe/250 cabrio).
I'm happy to stand corrected. What is your source? That is key info, and was not part of the GTS press release.
Old 11-09-2010, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
I'm happy to stand corrected. What is your source? That is key info, and was not part of the GTS press release.
No recent press releases have corroborated the 500 number which I came across many months ago in an unofficial release.
Last month I asked the sales manager if he could confirm the figure and he said he called PCNA and they confirmed 500 to him. However, since this figure is not circulating in the current press releases it could always change at Porsche's convenience of course. I'm simply reporting the info I have which may or may not be correct. Unless you have a a numbered series such as 40 Jahre/Sport Classic etc, you can't be sure.
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I've seen the 500 number around the interwebs, too. But, I've not seen it on any 'official Porsche' releases.
Actually, if there were going to be 500 GTSs shipped to North America, wouldn't every Porsche dealer get at least one? I don't think that's how it's going...even some of the big L.A. dealers are getting only two. So, who knows...?
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Originally Posted by beowulf
No recent press releases have corroborated the 500 number which I came across many months ago in an unofficial release.
Last month I asked the sales manager if he could confirm the figure and he said he called PCNA and they confirmed 500 to him. However, since this figure is not circulating in the current press releases it could always change at Porsche's convenience of course. I'm simply reporting the info I have which may or may not be correct. Unless you have a a numbered series such as 40 Jahre/Sport Classic etc, you can't be sure.
I believe manufacturers have gotten quite cagey about advertising production numbers on limited runs. Remember the BMW M5, where there was a lawsuit because BMW promised no more than 500 cars would be built -- but then proceeded to build more than that to meet demand?

When BMW of North America first anounced the E28 M5 in late 1986, production was said to be limited to 500 cars. But by the time production ended in November 1987, however, almost triple that number had been produced. Thus, a class action lawsuit was filed against BMW by E28 M5 owners who claimed that the collector's value of their cars was diminished by the greater volume. The company settled the case by giving these owners a rebate on the purchase of a new BMW.
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Originally Posted by texas911
Just compare the GTS to the 996 40th Anniversary Edition. No premium.
Very similar in some ways. I have a 40th anni. Does not command much of a premium (too many made - 1964). It was a model end run, X51 package, lowered suspension, some fancy bits here and there. Only difference tho is that the 996 wasn't the most loved model to begin with. So the 996 40th anni - people dont clamor for it. 997 has been very popular and a hit. GTS is the parallel to the 40th anni. Not numbered but may be better "loved" in the long run. A small premium in the long run.

If the 991 is not a big hit, it may be a very desireable car - now and into the future.

The GTS is exactly what I would get now, if the 991 wasnt coming. 408HP, wide back end, 2WD, PSE - perfect!
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Received email confirmation last (11/10) night my 2011 GTS is officially ordered! January 2011 build. The waiting begins!!
Old 11-13-2010, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by beowulf
I will be selling my 40th anniv. and it does not command a significant premium ( only a few thousand more) than a standard carrera. The 996 C4S also generates a bit more of sales price. However, having a 911 that differentiates itself from the standard Carreras makes re-sale a lot less problematic.

The US allocation for GTS is 500 units (250 coupe/250 cabrio); but it could always change... who knows.
I think it will be interesting to see how many they make. I remember when the ttS came available it was, according to my dlr going to be 'a very rare car'. I think P is quite good at getting people whipped up into a frenzy to pay as close to sticker as possible in a down economy. Not to say it is not a heck of a car though............
Jim
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A mate signed me up for the PDE at Silverstone (the little Porsche circuit) on 21 February to drive the 911 GTS. I hope they have one with and one without PDK. Who here has driven this car so far, and what do they think of it?
Old 11-19-2010, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Phokaioglaukos
A mate signed me up for the PDE at Silverstone (the little Porsche circuit) on 21 February to drive the 911 GTS. I hope they have one with and one without PDK. Who here has driven this car so far, and what do they think of it?
Since they are not in production yet, no one outside press, Porsche employees, and select individuals have driven it.
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Thanks for the info. I hope to like it!


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