Fatsix

BAT 997.2 prices are interesting. A 50K 2009 4s sells for $78K, while a 27K 2011 GTS sells for $90K, and another 2012 GTS with 18K bids to $85K. How can a 4s sell for so much money while GTS cars are going for $85-90K? I was thinking the 4s would sell for $65 in relation to GTS current prices. Can you guys explain what's going on?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...a-4s-coupe-11/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...arrera-gts-31/
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...rera-4-gts-16/

Rhern213

Not really an apples-to-apples comparison, the 2 GTS's you linked are PDK, the 4S is a manual.
The last 2 manual GTS's I saw were sold on here, the blue one that was listed at $108k, and the recent silver/red for I guess $95k? And that silver/red car had a lot of baggage attached to the seller's attitude so should've been more.
A PDK 4S would definitely be in the $60k's or less.

der99649

My feeling is that >95% of 997 are left hand drive in Japan although domestic cars are right handle.
When you buy new Porsche, you could chose left or right handle however recently Porsche Japan offers right handle only for 992 Carrera model (not for GT models)

My GTS is left handle as I imported it from US.

Kyzcreig

Liste-Renn

How about a link to the seller?

Fatsix

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...arrera-gts-32/

What a great deal.

Liste-Renn

I agree.
Deal of the year, IMO.
$72K, all in, for a nice example with a 5K-mile/year odo.

Here is a long auction comment on the car by the previous owner:

”Hello everyone. Since I’ve been mentioned, I thought this would be a good time to chime in. I’m the previous owner of this fabulous car. I bought it from Phillips Auto in Newport Beach, CA, on 01/19/18 with 29,762 miles on the odo, after about a six-month search for the right 997 GTS. I think it was on consignment there.I’m a 35-year PCA member, and this is the 8th Porsche I’ve owned over the last 41 years. My new 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 is my ninth. This GTS was a 3rd car, mostly used on weekend drives and a few long trips (ranging from 600-1200 mi each way). When I bough the car, it had the Sherkwerks center muffler delete (which I would have done anyway) and the TechArt springs. The great thing about the Sharkwerks unit, is it actually adds 12 HP and 14 ft lbs of TQ, along with reducing weight by 9 lbs. See their website for an actual dyno plot showing these figures. I added the Rennline SS brake lines and the Sebro slotted rotors. Otherwise, the car is stock, and mechanically and cosmetically just as a bought it more than four years ago. When I traded it in, it was covered with SunTek Utra PPF on the entire front of the car, mirrors, the A-pillers, and front portion of the top.

I’ve meticulously over-maintained this car at Trophy Performance in Las Vegas, owned by a former Gold Certificate chief tech at the local dealer. When he worked there, he was consistently rated for many years as one of the top-five best techs in North America by PCNA. There are also service records from the two previous owners, and the car was serviced on time at Porsche dealers in Southern Calif. The car has always been garaged and even covered during my ownership

@Andew10 It did have some track time, though not much…1-2 days a year, probably eight total. I’m a pro driver, instructor, racing coach, and race car tester, so I get my track time almost exclusively in other people’s race cars. In the rare times I drive my own cars on the track, it’s at 8/tenths maximum.

One note on the color, if you haven’t had a good look at Basalt Black Metallic, it’s a marvelous color, very underrated, imo. In the direct sunlight, if you look at it in one direction, the flakes are a golden color… in the other direction, they’re a dark cobalt blue.

Even with 51k miles on the odo, this rare and fast GTS still looks and feels like a car with 25k miles. I loved this car, gave it the best care possible, and had a lot of fun with it. I’d like to see it go to a nice new home. Feel free to ask questions.”

Busta Rib

Someone picked up a GTS for slightly over S money. Nicely done.

Fatsix

This is what I have been wondering about regarding .2 prices. A 997.2 4S with manual selling for $78k while a 997.2 GTS PDK sells for 68.5K. I know one is manual but I still feel something is off. I highly prefer manual but a GTS PDK for $10k less than a 4S? I still feel the 4S is overpriced even though it’s a 6spd. My gut feeling is that 6spd 4S should be around $65k and a PDK GTS should be $80k and a 6spd GTS $90K. Am I alone thinking this way?

Petza914

Agree with your thinking and valuations, and will add the 6-speed RWD GTS option at $100k.

My personal opinion is the 6 speed GTS is the only one worth the ask because of the Widebody RWD configuration. The AWD versions aren't different enough to justify the price difference just for the X51 powerkit.

Liste-Renn

Depends on the individual car spec, mileage, maintenance history, accident/repair history on CarFax, and most importantly how it is presented for sale/auction. If the seller is motivated and provides all of the above, with a DME over-rev report for 6MT and offer of a PPI pre-sale? They will (historically) benefit from the pricing valuations of your "gut feeling".

The relatively few number of 997 GTS trading hands on auction sites can invert some model pricing relative to one another. But one cannot argue with actual market sale prices provided by those auction sites- which generally line up with your $65K/$80K/$90K model.

I agree with @Petza914 that the 6MT/RWD/Coupe version is closer to $100K, with some Aerokit, PTS, insanely optioned versions of those recently approaching original MSRP territory.

Liste-Renn

Hey, Peter- while I am not claiming to feel the 23 hp bump, the X51 kit installed on the 997 GTS is "a bit" bespoke.

Here is another comment from that auction (which, like Rennlist, seems to attract some knowledgeable owner posts):

"Something else that is unique to the 997 GTS (until it was subsequently used on the Sport Classic and 997 Speedster) is the power kit used to raise the 3.8L’s horsepower to 408. They didn’t just slap the X51 kit on it.

The GTS’s power increase produces the same 408 hp result, but is different from the Carrera S X51 kit. Most of the 3.8’s 23-hp increase in the GTS is from a bespoke variable-resonance intake manifold. It utilizes six vacuum-controlled flaps that independently for each cylinder alter the air’s path to the cylinders at different rpm, optimizing torque and power.

Ported and polished cylinder heads, a sport exhaust, and a remapped ECU round out the changes."

IIRC, it also bumps the red line up from the S's 7300 to 7500- though the tachometer is marked the same in both models. Compression is also increased from 11.8 to 12.5
Nothing earth shattering, like your Ruf mod, for sure.

Fatsix

I totally agree. The 6mt GTS is the most special variant to me. The 4GTS is too similar to the 4S. The GTS is the closest variant to GT RS cars (wide bodied RWD). 6MT is an endangered species so this is a must for me. $100k sounds good.

Fatsix

Do you guys think 6MT GTS fully optioned cars will be able to surpass the original MSRP in the near future?

Fatsix

it looks like the X51 kit is the same power upgrade as our cars.

https://drives.today/posts/196/tech/...teve-hall.html