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Hate to say it but you've come to the wrong town asking for a price suggestion for a PDK car. This forum is extremely anti PDK and many apply a $10,000 discount to a PDK car vs. a manual. This despite Porsche building PDK cars vs. manuals in favor of PDK at an 80-90% rate since introduced 2009 so 14 years now. A trend hard to argue against.
I never understood the argument for the huge "no brains premium for a manual" on this forum. Few cars built with manuals due to low demand and few anti PDK buyers fighting over those few cars is all I can think. I'm pragmatic in nature so I just look at numbers. Would Porsche keep building 80% to 90% PDK cars vs. 10% to 20% manuals for 14 years if manuals were in such high demand? I just can't square that.
Maybe. But, you're neglecting the difference, generally speaking, in who tends to buys these cars new versus who tends to buy them used. I'm admittedly painting with a broad brush here (and will likely be flamed by the flappy paddle folks), but the dentist who bought the car new in 2012 probably didn't want to fool with a third pedal when he was envisioning driving it to the office or the golf course, so he likely went for the PDK. Whereas the enthusiasts who are buying these cars now tend to want the added driving engagement only truly afforded by a manual transmission, hence the premium. And, this is a message board mostly comprised of enthusiasts, so "wrong town" indeed. But, having said all that, I would go for PDK on the right car. (Eventually, we'll have no choice.) But, for as long as I can, I will row through the gears of a MT car and enjoy the added benefit that it has now become an anti-theft device. Save the manuals!
Are we gong to beat this horse again. Denying there's a premium for manuals is denying reality. It's not this town saying that it's the market, look around. I wrote this on another thread but it applies here,
Originally Posted by Prairiedawg
It's undeniable that there's a premium for manuals. My thought on the take rate boils down to the new car buyer. Porsche only makes new cars, not used ones for enthusiasts. To buy a new Porsche, you have to be of some means. I'm willing to bet most new buyers of 911's, Cayman's, etc buy them as status symbols rather than enthusiasts. Unless the new buyer grew up driving manuals or understood the other reasons to buy one (resale, driving experience) they are getting a PDK. The fact that the PDK is the best "automatic" trans doesn't help this either. This will almost always ensure the supply of used manuals will be less than the buyers. Scarcity breeds a premium for anything. I think we should all just be happy in 2022, Porsche still values and offers manual transmissions.
Someday, those of us without the means, can buy a 2022 911 with a manual.
The going rate for a PDK car vs a manual is lower across the board, all things being equal. For a GTS, it's it's even more of a delta. This isn't me saying this, it's BAT, Autotrader, Cars.com, Carguru's, etc.
Hate to say it but you've come to the wrong town asking for a price suggestion for a PDK car. This forum is extremely anti PDK and many apply a $10,000 discount to a PDK car vs. a manual. This despite Porsche building PDK cars vs. manuals in favor of PDK at an 80-90% rate since introduced 2009 so 14 years now. A trend hard to argue against.
I never understood the argument for the huge "no brains premium for a manual" on this forum. Few cars built with manuals due to low demand and few anti PDK buyers fighting over those few cars is all I can think. I'm pragmatic in nature so I just look at numbers. Would Porsche keep building 80% to 90% PDK cars vs. 10% to 20% manuals for 14 years if manuals were in such high demand? I just can't square that.
In this argument, opinions don't really matter - the completed auction and sales numbers are the numbers and manauls being about a $10k premium over PDKs. Downs tmatter which shifts faster, which is more engaging, which is easier to repair, etc - just look at the sales prices. When talking about prices and values it's a well defined differential.
@sandwedge it's okay man... I have a PDK and its great... but I do understand the manual vs. PDK price difference. I would have gotten a manual if I had the choice at the time but no regrets.
The cost of the factory aero kit is ridiculous but that is also a function of rarity.
I do think PDKs are underrated but we don't have to justify our purchase to anyone.
Except your 44k mile hooker lipstick red interior car isn’t comparable to that 8k mile classy interior car. If that car sells for $95k, yours might get $80k.
Yeah not sire where the confusion is, there's a HUGE premium for a sub 10k mile car, no question. That's offset somewhat by the stick vs pdk but then there's that interior. I'm telling you chief, most buyers won't look twice at a red interior on sportier models, maybe the turbo but not a gts.
The GT Siver Metallic (Only 17 imported into NA- originally a Carrera GT color) was Reserve Not Met (RMN) at $96K high bid ($101K all in from the buyer).
The Porsche North Houston Aqua Blue and the eBay Silver/Lobster cars are unsold at $92K and $95K as of today.
Last edited by Liste-Renn; 10-08-2022 at 01:41 PM.
Are we gong to beat this horse again. Denying there's a premium for manuals is denying reality. It's not this town saying that it's the market, look around. I wrote this on another thread but it applies here,
The going rate for a PDK car vs a manual is lower across the board, all things being equal. For a GTS, it's it's even more of a delta. This isn't me saying this, it's BAT, Autotrader, Cars.com, Carguru's, etc.
Definitely beating a dead horse time and again and I agree it's getting old. Very old. What I've been arguing though more than once, and it's just my opinion that nobody has argued against so far unless I missed it is that the PDK created two different markets as of 2009.
The introduction of the PDK with all that it offers brought in a lot of "nothing but a manual" buyers into a new category of buyers who started to rethink after trying out the PDK recognizing that it was vastly different from the Tiptronic and more in line or even better than the dual clutch transmissions used by both Ferrari and Lamborghini as the only transmission options. No manuals anymore by either one no matter how much you're willing to pay.
So fewer and fewer 911 manuals have been built based on demand by dealerships around the world since 2009. As I've said numerous times before and I think this will be the last time....as I see it, the premium paid for manuals isn't due to it being more desirable by the market as a whole. The premium the manuals get is from the absolute "must be a manual" buyers getting into price wars over the few manuals available.
Based on what Porsche has been building over the past 14 years I think it's hard to argue that manuals are what most buyers want and are willing to pay a premium for. To repeat, it boils down to a small segment of die hard manual buyers fighting over cars that a majority of 911 buyers have left in the rear view mirror.
I'm addicted to 911's but I agree with you, that Boxster is definitely a car I could live with. Very cool in every aspect. Hate the 6hp advantage over our cars though
I'm addicted to 911's but I agree with you, that Boxster is definitely a car I could live with. Very cool in every aspect. Hate the 6hp advantage over our cars though
I agree with you guys. (& that hill climb exhaust note,.... awe yea....) ... When dreaming of what the "next car" would be,.. the 718 Spyder w/ ceramics & LWBS immediately pops to the top of mind. If I had not already bought (4 yrs ago) a Aqua Blue 997.2 GT3, and living my dream with that Mezger Howitzer, I would be on the hunt. I'm just hoping that by the time my wife finishes drooling over our Aqua/3, and settles into the idea of picking up "the next one", the prices drop again. A 718 Spyder close to $100k in that spec would be ideal. Although something drastic is gonna need to happen (in the world, economically, markets, etc)... for prices to drop like that.
10-07-2022 | 07:16 AM
Except your 44k mile hooker lipstick red interior car isn’t comparable to that 8k mile classy interior car. If that car sells for $95k, yours might get $80k.
