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Old 01-10-2018 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Road King
this sounds just like Macster's Turbo...they are asking $39K for his well maintained 160K mile car.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto...450033411.html
High miles, but it sure looks nice and I'm sure Macster took great care of it!

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2003 Porsche 911 Turbo Coupe with service records - $39000
This is a well kept clean example of a 996 Porsche Turbo
It's a clean title vehicle
Manual transmission
160K miles
Maintenance done at the Porsche dealer
2 owner



Old 01-10-2018 | 05:05 PM
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I don't know if $39K is the right #, but we all know is that is one well maintained car!
Old 01-10-2018 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by pfbz
IMHO, in the past year:
  • 996 Turbos, GT2's, GT3's have definitely ticked upwards.
  • 996 non-Mezgers are mostly cheap and getting cheaper, with a few uber-nice examples as exceptions.
  • 997.1 Turbo's have remained flat to slightly upwards.
  • 997.1 non-Mezgers are have depreciated significantly.
  • 997.2 Turbo's are down, but still expensive.
  • 997.2 non Turbo's are down, except for 'special' cars like GTS's and of course GT3's
  • 991.1 non Turbo's are up from where they were a year ago, though still substantially under original sticker. Some think buoyed by the 991.2 all turbo lineup.
  • 991.1 Turbo's are way down, victim of the typical expensive car depreciation curve.
  • GT4's are down, now quite easy to buy one well under sticker, likely due to 991.2 GT3's now available with manual transmissions.
  • 991.1 GT3's are way down.
  • 981.2 Cayman GTS's are flat
  • 987.1 S Cayman's are down. The bargain Porsche sports car right now, plenty of very clean lower mileage cars under $25K.
These are cars that I've had some interest in and seen quite a few of, of course others might have a different perspective.
This is extactly what I have seen.

I will add that the 997.2 Turbos are really showing signs of a major price drop in the near future. No Mezger and no manual is starting to take its toll.
Old 01-10-2018 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
This is extactly what I have seen.

I will add that the 997.2 Turbos are really showing signs of a major price drop in the near future. No Mezger and no manual is starting to take its toll.
Does the 997.2 Turbo engine have any racing heritage?
Old 01-10-2018 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Carlo_Carrera
This is extactly what I have seen.

I will add that the 997.2 Turbos are really showing signs of a major price drop in the near future. No Mezger and no manual is starting to take its toll.
Plus I believe first gen PDK which I understand wasn't as good as the current one.
Old 01-10-2018 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Road King
Does the 997.2 Turbo engine have any racing heritage?
Sort of yes and sort of no. The 9A1 engine in the 997.2 Turbo is the bare basis of the racing engines used now but it is in no way a racing engine the way almost all Mezger engines are. You can use a 997.2 Turbo on a track no problem but the current crop of engines in the 991 models are far more capable. Better oil scavenging, heat dispersion, etc.
Old 01-10-2018 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by rick brooklyn
Plus I believe first gen PDK which I understand wasn't as good as the current one.
Correct, the first gen PDK is considered by most to be "slow" compared to the current version.
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/173089729896?ul_noapp=true

05 Turbo S Coupe w/ 133k miles.
Old 01-11-2018 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Road King
Strong money indeed.

The latest Excellence Magazine states that in the last year, "air-cooled Turbos have remained essentially the same, while all water-cooled 911s have continued to depreciate."

$57K for a 60K mile x50 '02 sure doesn't look like depreciating to me! We seem to be tracking the market pretty closely, and 996 Turbos aren't falling IMO.

I am a subscriber and I read that same article. I think their valuations were utterly wrong, I considered writing them about it. They go against Hagarty, and nearly most recent sales data points.. I agree with you amigo!
Old 01-11-2018 | 04:48 PM
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http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...oof-coupe.html

58k 02, doesn't indicate X50. Few mods, low miles. Prices definitely moving up.
Old 01-11-2018 | 04:55 PM
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I found that it's a tough market right now for a 996tt buyer. I have viewed more than a dozen of these cars over the past 2 months from up and down the West coast to as far east as Denver.. I can say that I found the mid mileage 996tt's that were in fair to excellent condition to be priced a good 5-10K above KBB... 50-60k miles in "just OK/needed work" condition were high $40's... and the very nice, low mileage cars were asking mid $50's and more. My offers of $46 and $49K for reasonable mid mileage cars (that still needed some work) were not accepted. Nor were my offers of 52K and 53k on more pristine, low mileage examples... (still non-ceramic brake/non-X-50). I finally got tired of flying/looking and settled for a cheaper fixer upper... this is where KBB did seem to be reflective of the market; 100k mile fixer = $30K.
Old 01-11-2018 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by gtred
I found that it's a tough market right now for a 996tt buyer. I have viewed more than a dozen of these cars over the past 2 months from up and down the West coast to as far east as Denver.. I can say that I found the mid mileage 996tt's that were in fair to excellent condition to be priced a good 5-10K above KBB... 50-60k miles in "just OK/needed work" condition were high $40's... and the very nice, low mileage cars were asking mid $50's and more. My offers of $46 and $49K for reasonable mid mileage cars (that still needed some work) were not accepted. Nor were my offers of 52K and 53k on more pristine, low mileage examples... (still non-ceramic brake/non-X-50). I finally got tired of flying/looking and settled for a cheaper fixer upper... this is where KBB did seem to be reflective of the market; 100k mile fixer = $30K.
I agree. I looked at quite a few cars. Ended up buying out of state and I hope it's as nice as everyone has said it is when it gets here. I ended up spending a little more than I thought I would, but the mid-mile cars are the hardest to pin down, like you said.
Old 01-11-2018 | 05:42 PM
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KKB values mean nothing. These cars are now desirable and on the verge of being bonafied collectables. KKB does not know how to calculate for that.

As is was mentioned in other posts. Hagerty's price guide is much more accurate because it is based on actual sales and auctions.
Old 01-11-2018 | 06:32 PM
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Those prices! Asking prices surely seem to be way up.... 4 months ago I bought mine: '03 Midnight Blue w/Graphite Gray and Carbon, 35k miles, no X50, no PCBB, no stories, one owner, excellent condition, 3 keys, all owner's manuals & service records, even the full set of DVD's for the PCM2 - for about $48k.

Old 01-11-2018 | 06:50 PM
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I believe a previous reply stated that non Mezger 996's are still depreciating but I'm seeing just the opposite, especially with the 996 C4S. I believe they've bottomed out with depreciation and good cars are still getting decent dollars considering all the bad press they've had.


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