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Old 07-10-2021, 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by tom__w
Working with Sam the Man to get billet turbos (K16s down from my K24s), ID1300 fuel injectors, larger inter-cooler and a Cobb MAF-less map.

Like I told Sam, I hate that it will no longer be an X50, except for the designation on the frunk label. Well not completely true, the transmission is still beefier.

Looking to get 700 at the crank.
Don't go above 650... you may bend a rod.
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Originally Posted by Xaerran
@tom__w - Why are you going down to the K16 billets? Just looking for faster spool times? I have been contemplating doing the same when I refresh the turbos.
Better spool times and I was told, better torque linearity.
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Looks so good, considering we started working on it in April putting some KW's and adjustable suspension ect along with a few other things. It rolled out a true beauty! Now just have to get some proper pictures of it!

This setup is perfection
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Originally Posted by 2fcknfst
Don't go above 650... you may bend a rod.
i thought that was dependent on the tune??? all that torque before 3k rpm can bend a rodney...
Old 07-10-2021, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by kamlung
i thought that was dependent on the tune??? all that torque before 3k rpm can bend a rodney...
k16 generally make little sense. Guys get a little turbocharger with a weak top end and then have to detune the low end to protect rods. You end up with weakness on both ends. K24s or other larger frame turbos give you a softer low end which protects the rods and you get a much better top end. Larger frame turbos will have lower back pressure lowering EGTs, IATs, and engine temps in general. Win win all around especially for cars that see the track. This is why GT2s get k24s..
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Old 07-10-2021, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by powdrhound
k16 generally make little sense. Guys get a little turbocharger with a weak top end and then have to detune the low end to protect rods. You end up with weakness on both ends. K24s or other larger frame turbos give you a softer low end which protects the rods and you get a much better top end. Larger frame turbos will have lower back pressure lowering EGTs, IATs, and engine temps in general. Win win all around especially for cars that see the track. This is why GT2s get k24s..
And this is why I am going with k24 hybrids and limiting power to 600 thunder ponies ...

Tom, you may consider this, Sam offers k24s in this flavor, and as you and I have x50s, a better all round for in my opinion....
Old 07-10-2021, 08:23 PM
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Hey guys. 600 to the wheels which is about 700 to the crank is really safe on these cars. I’m not one who loves comparing and competing and pushing too hard for reliability and longevity. But I can very comfortably say that. Even 700 to the wheels with a big turbo done carefully is fine. The thing is it depends if it’s a manual transmission or an automatic. We always consult and look at the big picture to make sure we put someone in the right package you know?
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Originally Posted by powdrhound
k16 generally make little sense. Guys get a little turbocharger with a weak top end and then have to detune the low end to protect rods. You end up with weakness on both ends. K24s or other larger frame turbos give you a softer low end which protects the rods and you get a much better top end. Larger frame turbos will have lower back pressure lowering EGTs, IATs, and engine temps in general. Win win all around especially for cars that see the track. This is why GT2s get k24s..
Exactly, I had K16's, then K16 hybrids, then K24 hybrids. K24 hybrids all the way, so much better, IMO. For me, the K16 hybrids ran out of steam on the top end, leaving me wanting more, after just upgrading. It was like the difference a tune makes to a base car, which in nice, but the K24 hybrids transform the car to a very different level, it becomes a truly fast car. At the end of the day, it's your choice, but I went through this and am just offering advice/opinion based on my experience.
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Originally Posted by John D II
Exactly, I had K16's, then K16 hybrids, then K24 hybrids. K24 hybrids all the way, so much better, IMO. For me, the K16 hybrids ran out of steam on the top end, leaving me wanting more, after just upgrading. It was like the difference a tune makes to a base car, which in nice, but the K24 hybrids transform the car to a very different level, it becomes a truly fast car. At the end of the day, it's your choice, but I went through this and am just offering advice/opinion based on my experience.
This is great to know. Did you have to do injectors and fuel pump too? I am just starting to explore the turbo upgrade route more
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Yes, Kyle, that's part of the deal when you go there. Not everyone adds a second fuel pump, but I did an additional 044 in-line and larger injectors. You will also require an upgraded clutch for sure.
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044 in line pump? That's a ton of fuel delivery, do you really need that much pump?
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Originally Posted by 2fcknfst
And this is why I am going with k24 hybrids and limiting power to 600 thunder ponies ...

Tom, you may consider this, Sam offers k24s in this flavor, and as you and I have x50s, a better all round for in my opinion....
Hoping to score a set of K16s for cheap and billet them. I will always have my 24s laying around that I can upgrade to billet. The injectors and intercoolers will be done and won't need any changes.

With an automatic, the low end of the 16s will be more appealing.
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Remember guys there’s also a difference on the billet hybrid build. Our TiAL units use the 68mm HTZ Compressor wheel. They are capable of over 700 to the tires with our calibrations. Typical K16 hybrids run out of steam in the high 500s or maybe 600 to the tires. On that note the 24 hybrid can make over 800 at the tires using this compressor and bud. Those numbers can actually go even higher with really aggressive Calibrations on Ethanol. We just see what the customer needs and stand behind everything
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