I bought KK's car(long story...)
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C4911, a bit off-topic man....but you were on the 996 forum for a long time. And simple cross-referencing shows that you posted/were on the board on the same days as KK was posting his "fix" suggestions.
You had a 99 996 and you posted quiet a lot on this forum. How did you miss KrazyKs posts and not know who he is? You didn't bother researching his "history" on the forum? You posted in his "car sold" thread that you bought it from him, so I assume you did some due diligence on his "engine drops"?
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...or-sale-3.html
You had a 99 996 and you posted quiet a lot on this forum. How did you miss KrazyKs posts and not know who he is? You didn't bother researching his "history" on the forum? You posted in his "car sold" thread that you bought it from him, so I assume you did some due diligence on his "engine drops"?
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...or-sale-3.html
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C4911, a bit off-topic man....but you were on the 996 forum for a long time. And simple cross-referencing shows that you posted/were on the board on the same days as KK was posting his "fix" suggestions. You had a 99 996 and you posted quiet a lot on this forum. How did you miss KrazyKs posts and not know who he is? You didn't bother researching his "history" on the forum? You posted in his "car sold" thread that you bought it from him, so I assume you did some due diligence on his "engine drops"? https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...or-sale-3.html
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To answer your question it would start by looking a little closer at all my postings since becoming a member. Most are greetings for new members, complimenting another members car and a few concerning cosmetic issues. You won't find a single post in any mechanical/technical thread as I don't read those. I am not mechanically oriented so knowing of KK's reputation prior to purchase is definitely a stretch. I saw his ad first on Autotrader even though he was also listing it on this site. I didn't learn he was a Rennlist member until after deposit given. At the time I didn't consider doing a background check and I'm not sure how many others would. Of course hindsight is 20/20 and next time I am in the car market I'll have to be more careful.
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Sorry, my apologies. That was inappropriate. I got carried away.
You've got a great car that was very well maintained except for one bad decision made by the PO. It just as easily could have been the AOS. Truthfully, we all know an engine may be in our future at some point and that's OK. We didn't buy them for their TCO.
You've got a great car that was very well maintained except for one bad decision made by the PO. It just as easily could have been the AOS. Truthfully, we all know an engine may be in our future at some point and that's OK. We didn't buy them for their TCO.
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Wow! You really just can't make this stuff up.
To the OP - I feel your pain, having gone through an engine failure after doing what I thought was the right thing. I lost my engine about 20K miles after replacing the original IMSB with the LNE ceramic bearing. After much soul searching, I spent about the same amount as you for an upgraded Porsche crate engine with the larger diameter bearing. IMO it's an awesome car and it was worth it.
Best of luck with your new engine and I hope you are enjoying your 996 as much as I am!
To the OP - I feel your pain, having gone through an engine failure after doing what I thought was the right thing. I lost my engine about 20K miles after replacing the original IMSB with the LNE ceramic bearing. After much soul searching, I spent about the same amount as you for an upgraded Porsche crate engine with the larger diameter bearing. IMO it's an awesome car and it was worth it.
Best of luck with your new engine and I hope you are enjoying your 996 as much as I am!
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To answer your question it would start by looking a little closer at all my postings since becoming a member. Most are greetings for new members, complimenting another members car and a few concerning cosmetic issues. You won't find a single post in any mechanical/technical thread as I don't read those. I am not mechanically oriented so knowing of KK's reputation prior to purchase is definitely a stretch. I saw his ad first on Autotrader even though he was also listing it on this site. I didn't learn he was a Rennlist member until after deposit given. At the time I didn't consider doing a background check and I'm not sure how many others would. Of course hindsight is 20/20 and next time I am in the car market I'll have to be more careful.
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Wow! You really just can't make this stuff up.
To the OP - I feel your pain, having gone through an engine failure after doing what I thought was the right thing. I lost my engine about 20K miles after replacing the original IMSB with the LNE ceramic bearing. After much soul searching, I spent about the same amount as you for an upgraded Porsche crate engine with the larger diameter bearing. IMO it's an awesome car and it was worth it.
Best of luck with your new engine and I hope you are enjoying your 996 as much as I am!
To the OP - I feel your pain, having gone through an engine failure after doing what I thought was the right thing. I lost my engine about 20K miles after replacing the original IMSB with the LNE ceramic bearing. After much soul searching, I spent about the same amount as you for an upgraded Porsche crate engine with the larger diameter bearing. IMO it's an awesome car and it was worth it.
Best of luck with your new engine and I hope you are enjoying your 996 as much as I am!
OP, read through this for some fun:
https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...today-and.html
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Wow! You really just can't make this stuff up.
To the OP - I feel your pain, having gone through an engine failure after doing what I thought was the right thing. I lost my engine about 20K miles after replacing the original IMSB with the LNE ceramic bearing. After much soul searching, I spent about the same amount as you for an upgraded Porsche crate engine with the larger diameter bearing. IMO it's an awesome car and it was worth it.
Best of luck with your new engine and I hope you are enjoying your 996 as much as I am!
To the OP - I feel your pain, having gone through an engine failure after doing what I thought was the right thing. I lost my engine about 20K miles after replacing the original IMSB with the LNE ceramic bearing. After much soul searching, I spent about the same amount as you for an upgraded Porsche crate engine with the larger diameter bearing. IMO it's an awesome car and it was worth it.
Best of luck with your new engine and I hope you are enjoying your 996 as much as I am!
How many miles on the car before the bearing change?
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Can't believe all this talk about demanding a refund or suing KK.
While I definitely commiserate with the buyer to whom this happened, blaming the seller for the problem, JUST BECAUSE HE IS A KNOWN FACTOR ON RL, is totally misplaced.
If you bought this car from "Joe Blow" in Sassquatch, and this same thing happened, you would not expect or get a reimbursement.
In fact, I don't even think a used car dealer would be held liable for the failure. Their usual defense is that this was a Porsche, and the buyer drove the car too recklessly, causing the failure.
Furthermore, any half-intelligent defense lawyer would find, within 3 minutes, the considerable volumes of literature documenting stories about IMSB's failing, even after recent replacement.
Personal dislike for the seller could never be a factor in a legal settlement.
So, there should be no surprises that this falls flat.
Without knowing KK at all, I can say that while I greatly commiserate with the buyer, I also commiserate with KK for the hatred that will be heaped on him to follow.
While I definitely commiserate with the buyer to whom this happened, blaming the seller for the problem, JUST BECAUSE HE IS A KNOWN FACTOR ON RL, is totally misplaced.
If you bought this car from "Joe Blow" in Sassquatch, and this same thing happened, you would not expect or get a reimbursement.
In fact, I don't even think a used car dealer would be held liable for the failure. Their usual defense is that this was a Porsche, and the buyer drove the car too recklessly, causing the failure.
Furthermore, any half-intelligent defense lawyer would find, within 3 minutes, the considerable volumes of literature documenting stories about IMSB's failing, even after recent replacement.
Personal dislike for the seller could never be a factor in a legal settlement.
So, there should be no surprises that this falls flat.
Without knowing KK at all, I can say that while I greatly commiserate with the buyer, I also commiserate with KK for the hatred that will be heaped on him to follow.
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I can't say for certain because the engine hasn't been taken apart yet. It's still sitting on a shelf at my indie's shop waiting to get rebuilt. I'll update when I know for sure.
I had the bearing changed, along with RMS, clutch and flywheel just after I got the car, at about 25K miles.
I had the bearing changed, along with RMS, clutch and flywheel just after I got the car, at about 25K miles.
#118
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IMO said:
"When I removed the bearing flange, noticed the experimental bearing was on it's last leg (luckily it hasn't come apart yet)."
You are one of the brightest (& bluntest :-} ) Rennlisters for mechanical issues so your experience with a self-specified IMSB is particularly valuable. It is unlikely(?) you failed to do the pre-qualification checks or bungled the installation. So what do you think caused your first replacement Ceramic Hybrid bearing to fail ?
I understand that BOCA disapproved of this application for the bearing - but why? Do you have the specs on the bearing?
My interest is just the engineering an wanting to understand more about this issue.
Grateful for any ideas you care to share here. Thank you.
"When I removed the bearing flange, noticed the experimental bearing was on it's last leg (luckily it hasn't come apart yet)."
You are one of the brightest (& bluntest :-} ) Rennlisters for mechanical issues so your experience with a self-specified IMSB is particularly valuable. It is unlikely(?) you failed to do the pre-qualification checks or bungled the installation. So what do you think caused your first replacement Ceramic Hybrid bearing to fail ?
I understand that BOCA disapproved of this application for the bearing - but why? Do you have the specs on the bearing?
My interest is just the engineering an wanting to understand more about this issue.
Grateful for any ideas you care to share here. Thank you.
Unlike KK, I left the seals on my bearing because the factory did too so figured, let's try this combination first. I had no signs of bearing surfing metal until I came back from the drag strip and decided to change the oil. The oil pressure dropped at the track after running 2 back to back runs with one non functioning radiator fan. So it is entirely possible the oil temperature went far above the maximum limit for the bearing but there are so many bad ables, I just don't know. The real reason the oil pressure loss was that the main bearings on the crankshaft were falling apart from lack of lubrication (I think this was caused by the over heated oil too).
So when I pulled the filter to change the oil, it was full of glitter (more glitter than a cheap stripper
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So to sum it up, I don't know what really happens but the overheated oil probably didn't help. I was very dissapointed that this experiment didn't work the way I was hoping it would but now it's time to try something different. In all fairness the specs on this bearing looked better than the one it replaced but clearly it didn't last in my case. Maybe the next one will fair better.
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It can also then be shown that the bearing manufacture said it was an inappropriate application and we now know that the only other person that tried this bearing sent him a warning about the bearing failing.
Finally we also know he sold the car as having it's IMSB replaced, included the receipt for the Pelican bearing which he only used the mounting hardware from, and did not disclose his experimental use of a non-accepted bearing.
Personal dislike for the seller could never be a factor in a legal settlement.
As I've already said, while I would love to see KK get ruined to the point where he can't afford Internet access ever again, I'm not a proponent of a lawsuit over this. I think it can be shown he misrepresented the state of the car in a manner that the buyer could not reasonably verify, but I think the cost and headaches of a lawsuit on top of what he has already gone through just aren't worth it. At least it's not to me.
Without knowing KK at all
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I remember when KK was selling and there were many comments about what a well maintained car this was, all I thought at the time is that this was the last car I'd be interested in buying as wouldn't want a car that some **** had been consistently taking apart and reassembling!!